C20: King Pawn Game: Wayward Queen Attack

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comradedew

Today's the first time I see this opening and I think I played 2 or 3 games against this opening, idk how to set up a diagram so here's the annotation for ppl that can't view my games

first game vs this opening - comradedew (832) vs cakri123 (1171)

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=99570457

 

1.e4   e5

2.qh5 g6

3.qxe5+ qe7

4.qxh8 nh6

5. d4   ng4

6.qxh7  qf6

7.f3  nf2

8.kxf2  Qg7

9Qh4  Qf6

10Qg3 Nc6

11.Qxc7 Qd8

second game was much better after i had gone through computer analysis on the correct moves to counter this opening

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=99703559

 

comradedew vs LA337 (982)

1.e3 e5

2.qh5 nc6

3.g3 g6

4.Qe2 Nf6

5.Bg2 d5

6d4 exd4

7.exd4+ Ne4

8bxe4 dxe4

9.Qxe4+ Qe7

10.f3 Qxe4+

11.fxe4  nxd4

12.kd1 bc5

13.kd2 bf3

14.nxf3 nxf3+

15.Kd1 Ng1

16.Bb2 O-O

knightassassin
This opening is an excellent blitz weapon.
billwall

I have played this opening a few times as White (and at least 100 times as Black), but not recently.  Here is one of my wins.

Dragec
comradedew wrote:

Today's the first time I see this opening and I think I played 2 or 3 games against this opening, idk how to set up a diagram so here's the annotation for ppl that can't view my games

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http://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-use-the-chesscom-diagr

Dragec

Countering a Qh5 (also called Parham attack) is really easy, black is just fine.

comradedew

I never knew how scholar's mate occur until I saw your diagram, thanks

comradedew

here's my best counter against the opening so far

Dragec

@ajedrecito, no trash talk here please. Wink

The line I posted is universally accepted as a standard response to Parham(Qh5)., and all 3 master games on 365chess.com(for Parham) have the same moves played by black.

Continuation ideas after Nf6 are also standard, and of course it depends on what white would play.

The other line someone might want to try is so called "Kiddie countergambit", and proponents of this variation could post some continuation.

If you advocate some other line, then please do, but use some arguments please.

Dragec

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Dragec

All 3 games , source 365chess.com (one game is analysed, not by me Cool):

 

 

 

Lawdoginator

Naka promised not to play that opening anymore after winning Tata. 

comradedew

is it true that white is at a disadvantage after book move #4?

is this an opening worth spending hundreds of hours on or players are doomed to lose at higher rating when they use it?

I've never lost to the opening after losing to it the first time but after Dragnec's diagrams I'm led to believe that the players at my levels who use it just happen to suck

what if black counters with his queen? is that still considered the same opening?

Dragec
Conzipe wrote:
queenwalzer wrote:
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 Refute it then, but watch it! You might be the one ending up refuted!
Don't even think for a second about grabing that f5 pawn. =]


f5 is really interesting move, and it puzzled me a bit.

It may not be accurate(as it is well within opening), but I've plugged it into Fritz12 and he think that Nf6 is a best move.

It gives a tiny advantage to black, Qf6(or was it Qe7) is flat 0, and f5 gives a tiny advantage to white.

Of course,  different engines and different evaluation time may bring different results. And of course, it's debatable if engines calculation is so accurate so early in the opening.

comradedew

I've seen some interesting counters to this opening but this time it's from chess titans level 10

 

here's another counter from some guy I played on this site
a newer game I played
haywardwc

I HATE this opening with a passion. It's weak, gimmicky, and lazy. Yet SOOOO many online players seem to play it over and over again. Why oh why? I will admit having lost to it a few times when I've missed a beat on the defense. But I've also snatched a lot of queens from players who use this juvenile opening too!

uugt
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poucin

it is a bad idea if black misses mate in one..

You won because your opponent played weak, not because castle was a bad idea.

So many queen moves, and pawns weakening your pos in the opening...

After 6...Nxe4, its lost for white, your queen is attacked, and after moving it, Bh4 will arrive...

pfren
GTMidget wrote:

This isn't "my queen doesn't move so it attack h7", but still shows that when black, castling kingside is a bad idea.

It rather shows that a total beginner who claims he is not one, can easily think losing moves are good ones. Black's kingside castling is (naturally) a winning idea, what was not such a good idea was blundering an elementary mate in one move.

Here are some brief comments of no real value:



BulatG

 

testaaaaa

kingside fianchetto for black is good