Then learn the King's Indian Attack. It can be played against anything.
Can I Still Play A Opening If My Opponents Moves Dont Correspond To What I Play?
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Sep 18, 2012
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#3
As an opening is defined by the moves of BOTH players, the answer is generally 'no.' 1. e4 e5 2. f4 is the King's Gambit. 1. e4 c5 2. f4 is the Grand Prix variation of the Sicilian Defense. In both of these, white played the same 2 moves e4 and f4. But black's response had a big impact on what opening was played. Similarly, 1. c4 c5 is the Symmetrical English and 1. e4 c5 is the Sicilian Defense. In each base black played ... c5, but the white move was also significant in defining the opening.
A few openings called 'systems' (such as the Colle System) provide moves you can play that work against most opponent responses.
Sep 18, 2012
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#4
If you want to practice a certain opening, you can make Thematic Games here that start with a specific set of moves pre-made.
Sep 18, 2012
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#5
Umm good advice, but how about if im playing someone who is not familiar with openings and lets say it goes 1.e4 c4 which is a terrible move for him and I dont think thats any type of opening can I just continue with w.e opening I was using?
Sep 18, 2012
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#6
Chances are if you're both following good opening principles then the game is going to follow some official opening. And if your opponent isn't following good opening principles, then keep making logical moves that do follow the principles and you'll probably end up in a superior position.
If you want to play some opening and your opponent doesn't play the right moves, then continuing with your planned moves might be bad. This is part of the reason you shouldn't study openings too hard when you're just starting out. As soon as someone deviates from your planned opening (and they will), then you won't know what to do. If you instead just play by the opening principles, then if your opponent deviates from your planned opening you can still come up with some reasonable moves to get you to a playable middlegame.
Thanks shagreez3 for asking this question and thanks omnipaul for the very helpful response.
Blueemu is right, the King's Indian Attack is a system you can play against like absolutely anything. You can even start it with 1 e4 if you want, and many do. The same set up, with our with e4 can be played with white or black-- and with black it can be used against like everything, depending on the move order you play. I don't think that is true for any other set up:
1 Nf3 ...
2 d6
3 g6
4 Bg7
5 0-0
6 e4
Look at The Pirc Defense, The King's Indian Defense, and the King's Indian attack-- they are all the same set up.
Sep 18, 2012
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#9
Thank you to everyone and musicalhair I will look into all of those thanks...
Pelik and frankenberry, I agree with you both; but not in the context of the original post.
First, differences in the KIA, KID, and Pirc are largely due to the fact that they are looking at different set ups on the other side of the board. The 4 Pawn Attack in the KID is not the Austrian Attack in the Pirc, (well not as far as I know but I don't play the 4 Pawn Attack), and that might be the closest in terms of "looking like" each other.
But it seems pretty clear, and this is more to Frankenberry's point, the original poster wants an opening system that will get him into a middle game with the same set up so he doesn't have to worry about a lot of openings. What would you recommend that doesn't dismiss his question?
Oh, and I guess I over looked that the KID can't really be set up against the Tromp. Maybe I now want to dismiss the question, but I'm this deep into it. Still I think for what he wants the KID setup gets him into exactly the trouble he's looking for.
Sep 19, 2012
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#11
Franken_Berry wrote:
Are you suggesting that your opponent's response of c5 (I think that's what you meant) to your 1.e4 is terrible?
Sorry I meant d6..yes I think thhat is a horrible response to e4...
Sep 19, 2012
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#12
Btw Im so confused right now everybody has a different opinion, I think Im gonna just look at these openings and decide which is best for me, I just dont like opening and not knowing what I am doing or why I am moving a piece thats how I end up in trouble and trapping a piece in and things of that sort...
shagreezz3 wrote:
Btw Im so confused right now everybody has a different opinion, I think Im gonna just look at these openings and decide which is best for me, I just dont like opening and not knowing what I am doing or why I am moving a piece thats how I end up in trouble and trapping a piece in and things of that sort...
Everyone's going to have a different opinion on all of this! You have to look at it all and make a choice that's right for you. Learning the traps, the hard way or by studying them, is part of tactics and understanding. So is finding what openings you like based on the middle games they set up. And all of that take a back seat to tactics and endings study IMHO (opinion, not practice).
omnipaul wrote:
As an opening is defined by the moves of BOTH players, the answer is generally 'no.' 1. e4 e5 2. f4 is the King's Gambit. 1. e4 c5 2. f4 is the Grand Prix variation of the Sicilian Defense. In both of these, white played the same 2 moves e4 and f4. But black's response had a big impact on what opening was played. Similarly, 1. c4 c5 is the Symmetrical English and 1. e4 c5 is the Sicilian Defense. In each base black played ... c5, but the white move was also significant in defining the opening.
A few openings called 'systems' (such as the Colle System) provide moves you can play that work against most opponent responses.
Omnipaul is right...But u can play 1.e4 e5 2.f4 KGAMBIT 1.e4 e6 2.f4 La Bourdonnais var of french....you can play it against every blacks 1st response but it doesnt't mean that that is the correct choice so i suggest you try The KIA as white And KID structures as black or french defence cause in french there is a main theme that you pretty much always follow with thematic pawn breaks like f6 and c5 and you almost always try to put pressure on the d4 pawn so your game is working accordingly
Sep 19, 2012
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#15
You may have a favorite opening, but so does your opponent. You'll eventually need to learn a few openings. If you like to play 1. e4, then you're going to have to learn at least a little bit of French, Caro-Kann, Aleikhine, Center-Counter, Nimzovich, Petrof, Two-Knights, Phiidor, etc. At least you'll be able to pick between Spanish and Italian, and you'll be able to pick from whichever family of lines you want to play in some of the openings.
On the other hand, you may be able to get away with less opening knowledge if you go for something unusual like 1. b4, 1. b3, 1. e3, 1. g3, etc. These aren't necessarily the best try for a win, but at least you'll more likely be playing an opening you know.
As Black, you're going to need an idea for each possible first move for White. There's not a lot you can do about that.
Very good AnthonyCG!!
Here's what u do. Get a cheap chessboard and pieces....using just the board find out what makes this board tick--how many squares? what's a rank and file. how does color effect bishops and knight... learn to see this board in your minds eye. Do the same w/ pieces. Next, learn ins and outs of castling.Now your ready too learn the basic rules of the game . In a few months find a "BOOK" on openings.With hard work u can start playing in a few months. Good luck !
shagreezz3 wrote:
As I Said Above^^...I dont wanna practice a opening if I cant play it whenever I want...
An opening isn't one sided, it involves the whole board. Evaluating a position, choosing moves, all of these things depend on all 64 squares. To play looking only at your pieces I've heard called solitaire chess, and beginners sometimes have trouble moving beyond it.
Anthony's post was good 
AnthonyCG wrote:
Look at it this way:
Say you drive the same way to work everyday. But one day the road you usually take is under construction. What do you do? You find another road. Some people are stubborn and try to take that same road even though it is obvious that they shouldn't. They drive into a ditch.
The smart people just find another way to get to where they want to go. They may not have memorized other routes but they understand how the streets work and so they can find their own way.
In your case you don't even know how the streets work. So you can read maps all day long but in the end you'll just end up getting lost anyway. So right now you need to learn about how the streets work before you start reading maps.
This is by far the best analogy I've ever heard in regards to understanding why the steps needed to excel in chess are a necessity. mad props
As I Said Above^^...I dont wanna practice a opening if I cant play it whenever I want...