Can someone help me understand the Scandinavian Defense?

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ponz111

I think in  this line the Black queen is too exposed. It may even be a loss for Black

suggest stay away from this particular line.

 

DasBurner
blueemu wrote:

 


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blueemu
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
blueemu wrote:

 


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Sure, but after Qxc3 Black is down in tempo just as surely as if he had allowed his Queen to get chased around. The move 2. ... Nf6 doesn't solve all of Black's opening problems.

Susik_Gaboyan

https://chessmood.com/blog/the-journey-into-the-scandinavian-defense-jungle a small nice article about Scandi.

DasBurner
blueemu wrote:
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
blueemu wrote:

 


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Sure, but after Qxc3 Black is down in tempo just as surely as if he had allowed his Queen to get chased around. The move 2. ... Nf6 doesn't solve all of Black's opening problems.

fair enough. personally i feel like blacks following moves after are very natural and solid besides from the light square bishop but i see your point

AtaChess68
I play Scandi because I think that at my level (1400-1500) most white players have quite some experience facing 1. ... e5 or ... c5. I hope to get my opponent a bit out of their comfort zone by playing ... d5. I stay on known territory, they are not, i hope :-).

OP’s tempo question has been answered adequately I think.
tygxc

It does not matter much whether the queen plays 3...Qa5, 3...Qd8, 3...Qd6, or 3...Qe5+: black will play ...c6 and the queen will go to c7 like in the Caro-Kann.
So it seems at first sight than black loses 2 tempi by moving his queen to c7 in 3 moves instead of one.
However, white lost a tempo with 2 exd5 and in the Caro-Kann black loses a tempo with 3...dxe4
So tempo wise Scandinavian and Caro-Kann are equal.

pfren
ponz111 έγραψε:

I think in  this line the Black queen is too exposed. It may even be a loss for Black

suggest stay away from this particular line.

 

 

I don't think Black's position is that bad. White has 3 different lines to keep some pressure, but none of them is terribly scary.

Ilampozhil25

 

Ilampozhil25

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ponz111

Pfren  I have not analyzed the  3.....        Qd6  line for a while but I did see that line played by 2 very strong engines.  they were required to play the line against each other.

In both cases White won with a very nice game. 

pfren
ponz111 έγραψε:

Pfren  I have not analyzed the  3.....        Qd6  line for a while but I did see that line played by 2 very strong engines.  they were required to play the line against each other.

In both cases White won with a very nice game. 

 

Well, after 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 (the old move 5...a6 should be dismissed) white has three ways to fight for an advantage:

6.h3!?

6.Ne5 Nbd7 7.f4!? (the older 7.Nc4 does not promise much

6.g3, whci is quiet, but IMO white's most dangerous try.

I have worked on the variation a bit, and I think that Black is in no big danger in any of these lines- but whether the whole Pytel variation is worth playing as Black is another story.

A couple of years ago I lost a game in the 3...Qd8 variation as Black against an Indian youngster, but it's my very poor play the one I have to blame, not the line.

Greysandwich

Scandinavian is kak.
End of story.

KingBaam

Main line

sndeww

Are you sure that’s the main line

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Black's argument is that after placing his knight on c3 he must also waste a move in order to play c4 in mobilising his queenside majority. If the knight goes to e4 black usually as a N x e4 trade alleviating his number of pieces in a slightly more confined position than his opponent, while going back to e2 may put white on the backfoot.

And why must white play c4 ? To mobilise his queenside majority...

blueemu

As I mentioned, the Scandinavian is the cousin of the Caro Kann, and many of the same positional themes are evident... the White e-Pawn having exchanged for the Black d-Pawn, the White 4-vs-3 Q-side majority with Nc3 already played, etc.

KingBaam
B1ZMARK wrote:

Are you sure that’s the main line

Very sure. This may be the only thing I know about chess.

sndeww
KingBaam wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:

Are you sure that’s the main line

Very sure. This may be the only thing I know about chess.

Well then... I'm not sure how to break this to you.

KingBaam

I've seen some author say the purpose of the Scandinavian is to reach Caro Kann like positions while avoiding sharp lines in the Caro Kann