Caro-Kahn Or Scandanavian Defense? - Chess Forums - Page 2

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#21

DaBabysBurner wrote:

DubstepJunkie wrote:

I prefer the Scandinavian. More winning chances and fun games.

And I think people sometimes forget that black isn't forced to play Qxd5 immediately.

2. nf6 is eh

1...d5 is eh (and that's being generous)

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#22

EKAFC wrote:

I don't like the Caro. It's overrated and it's slow. Better is to play the French Defense. I have the more common variations covered here and you will get more out of this study than by playing the Caro. I also included a tricky variation that will have you win a lot of games

Very incomplete!

For instance, in the 6.Be2 line after 6...f6 7.O-O, etc, on move 10 (shown as move 5 there because when you click 6.Be2, it goes back to 1 rather than 6), White has 2 main options. 10.c4, as shown, but also 10.f4, which is the more positional route.

I smacked Black silly in the Chicago Open back in the mid-2010's with 10.f4 (yes, I was White that game - I do not only play the Black side of the French, I also play the White side of the Advance, 3.Nc3, and King's Indian Attack).

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#23

Historyteacher3 wrote:

ThrillerFan. The poster of this topic is a 600 daily and and 800 rapid.

Your point? His highest of all ratings is 922, which post 19 is in response to his.

Post 28 is in response to 24, not 1, hence the quote.

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#24

Historyteacher3 wrote:

Yes and your post 19 is an insult rather than instructive. You're record while impressive is besides the point

The whole point is to get across to him that saying you have mastered anything as a 922 player is complete hogwash!

That would be like me saying, with my 235 pound body, that I have mastered the 110 meter hurdles!

He should be doing more asking and less bragging or claims of mastery at that level.

I was not showing off. I was pointing out that it took me 25 years to master 1 opening, and even 7 years of other openings is not enough to "master" them, and if he had been playing for 7 years, he would not be 922, so to make a claim of mastery by him is idiotic!

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#25

Historyteacher3 wrote:

If this were my thread I would have blocked you at your first comment where you called the OPs claim a "complete joke" and listed your own credentials, or certainly by your second entry where you insulted 1200 players.

Clearly you don't "get it".

What I am pointing out is that I am 1100 rating points higher, have played many openings for years, and even I have NOT MASTERED THEM!

Therefore, there is no way a 922 player has mastered an opening!

It is not about showing off what I know. It is pointing out that if a 2000 player can barely claim mastery of a single opening in 25 years, there is no way that a 922 player can claim mastery and not be full of himself!

Sorry if your (Historyteacher3) backbone is too sensitive to accept the hard, blunt truth! Sometimes the truth hurts. Sometime helping someone is best done by getting across to them that they are in fantasy-land, that they need to wake up, and realize that they are making a complete fool of themselves, and that they should probably be spending their time on basics. Pins, Forks, Lucena's Position, Philidor's Draw, Mating with Knight and Bishop, etc.

If I, as a 2000 player, told some GM that I have mastered all of chess and figured it out to a draw, he'd be laughing so hard his stomach would hurt! The same thing can be said about a 900 player claiming mastery of a single opening. Get over your sensitivity issues and accept the hard facts!

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#26

Historyteacher3 wrote:

Thanks for proving my point. You can't even explain that you are not being insulting without being insulting. There are ways to help someone in "fantasy-land" without childish insults. Your communication skills are seriously lacking

Again - just shows you cannot handle the blunt truth and have to be hand-held for everything!

There are times not to be blunt and to be more sensitive, like if the OP said his mom died. That is the time to be sensitive and sympathetic.

This thread is not one of those where kid-gloves need to be worn. Simple as that!

KevinOSh

Jun 21, 2021

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#27

Below 1500 level in the live games it does not matter much at all whether Scandinavian or Caro-Kann (or almost any other opening) is played, but in Daily Games above 1000 level it is rare to see people playing the Scandinavian defense.

ThrillerFan

Jun 21, 2021

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#28

Historyteacher3 wrote:

Yes I get it. Fifteen years with high school kids taught me to recognize one here.

Clearly you are incompetent at recognizing high schoolers if you think I am one!

Almost 30 years since I stepped foot in a germ cess pool filled with teenage morons!

0peoplelikethis

Jun 21, 2021

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#29

Touché.

Chessboy2009

Jun 21, 2021

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#30

caro kann and scandi are equal, just a matter of taste

korotky_trinity

Jun 21, 2021

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#31

DaBabysBurner wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

DaBabysBurner wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

Me... Now I suddenly start to like Vienna's defense.

I start to do it simply by chance.

I thought that I played Caro-Kann, but the computer said that I played Vienna. ))

wdym Vienna defense

What?

you said "I like the Vienna Defense"

what is the Vienna Defense? The Vienna is an opening with white

unless you're referring to this?

Oh... sorry... I did mistake again.

The defense I meant... the computer called "Pirc defense".

I hope that now I am correct on this subject.

DasBurner

Jun 21, 2021

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#32

oh ok

Slayer1483

Jun 21, 2021

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#33

Historyteacher3 wrote:

You are an abrasive fool. I was labeling your words not your chronological age. You are, by your words, still a "teenage moron" What are you talking about? This is a Forum post. Not a insult simulator.

Slayer1483

Jun 21, 2021

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#34

tygxc wrote:

"i have Closely mastered the Scandanavian defense." ++ probably not

"Which would you all think is better?" Larsen thought Scandinavian is better, but he was one...
Scandinavian and Caro-Kann lead to the same structures: pawn to c6, queen to c7, but Scandinavian avoids the Advance Variation 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 e5. Contrary to widespread belief Scandinavian does not lose any tempo. The tempi apparently lost by the queen moves are made up for by the pawn capture moves.
"i am stuck with the same openings" It is best to stick with the same openings. Think of how many games grandmasters play with the same opening.

"have gotten nowhere" ++ not due to the opening
"Could you list a few aggresive moves?" As a black player aggression is not the aim. 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nf6 is rather aggressive. Thanks for the move dialation. I know i said i mastered it, By the fact means i know enough to use it. I'm sorry i confused you. Thank you again for the tips

Slayer1483

Jun 21, 2021

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#35

DaBabysBurner wrote:

Caro-Kann is objectively better than the Scandinavian given that it doesn't waste a couple of tempi out of the opening straight away, but there's nothing wrong with the Scandinavian, and at your level it doesn't really matter as the difference is miniscule anyway

Not to mention that the two are very similar anyway as in one of the main lines of the Scandinavian you're aiming to get a Caro-Kann structure." You are not wrong. It wastes about two to four moves just to get your Queen out of the face of danger. And having enough purpouse to Horizontally use it. Good reason on why i wanted to try out something different, and conserve a few moves.

Slayer1483

Jun 21, 2021

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#36

ThrillerFan wrote:

Slayer1483 wrote:

I am starting to learn the Caro-Kann. I will not say i have mastered it, However i have Closely mastered the Scandanavian defense. My point is, Which would you all think is better? I am trying to change things up since i am stuck with the same openings and have gotten nowhere. And if possible, Could you list a few aggresive moves? -Thanks!

A 922 player that has "Closely mastered the Scandinavian Defense". This I have got to see!

I am 2000 over the board, have played one opening for 25+ years, and am just now mastering it! I have played other openings for anywhere from 3 to 7 years, and have not "mastered" them.

So this mastering of the Scandi has got to be a complete joke!" You are right to assume that. By the mean of "Master" Means i know enough variations to use it. Instead of going guns blazing throughout the 64 Square board.

Slayer1483

Jun 21, 2021

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#37

ThrillerFan wrote:

Historyteacher3 wrote:

If this were my thread I would have blocked you at your first comment where you called the OPs claim a "complete joke" and listed your own credentials, or certainly by your second entry where you insulted 1200 players.

Clearly you don't "get it".

What I am pointing out is that I am 1100 rating points higher, have played many openings for years, and even I have NOT MASTERED THEM!

Therefore, there is no way a 922 player has mastered an opening!

It is not about showing off what I know. It is pointing out that if a 2000 player can barely claim mastery of a single opening in 25 years, there is no way that a 922 player can claim mastery and not be full of himself!

Sorry if your (Historyteacher3) backbone is too sensitive to accept the hard, blunt truth! Sometimes the truth hurts. Sometime helping someone is best done by getting across to them that they are in fantasy-land, that they need to wake up, and realize that they are making a complete fool of themselves, and that they should probably be spending their time on basics. Pins, Forks, Lucena's Position, Philidor's Draw, Mating with Knight and Bishop, etc.

If I, as a 2000 player, told some GM that I have mastered all of chess and figured it out to a draw, he'd be laughing so hard his stomach would hurt! The same thing can be said about a 900 player claiming mastery of a single opening. Get over your sensitivity issues and accept the hard facts! You and (HistoryTeacher3) Are like a political debate. There is no absolute point of that exact topic of conversation.

RobertJames_Fisher

Jun 21, 2021

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#38

korotky_trinity wrote:

And I dislike French defense by now.

I lost so many games when I played it.

There is problem with one your Bishop when you play it.

yes you do box in your bishop but if you know that going in you prepare how to get around it

korotky_trinity

Jun 21, 2021

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#39

millerd66 wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

And I dislike French defense by now.

I lost so many games when I played it.

There is problem with one your Bishop when you play it.

yes you do box in your bishop but if you know that going in you prepare how to get around it

Of course, you are right.

But I don't know that. I don't know how to liberate my Bishop from this "box" on the right side of the board.

So French defense is tricky enough.

korotky_trinity

Jun 21, 2021

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#40

Historyteacher3 wrote:

I like that chess.com tells you what offense and defense you are using. lol like I care

Yeah... Really.

I never had suspected that there are so many different offenses and diffenses in Chess before I came here.

It looks like a real science.