lol just play 1 d3 (whatever) 2 c3 (whatever) 3 d4!
That exclamation is very LOL! Yes I see your point but I've played the London system, which is basically a slav/caro reversed, but I want more. I want to use my edge as white and not just let black equalize after 1 move. Question is: What kind of opening line choices would suit a slav/caro player?
I dont feel you can link the two. I play aggresively as white, because I can - KG or Vienna Gambit if 1...e5, Morra if 1...c5, a gambit sideline if 1...e6 (always 1.e4 for me). I play the caro and the slav because I feel as black the best way to play is slowly, neutralise the 1st move advantage, equlise, and then push for the win.
Yes, intresting point. Maybe I should dust off the old 1.e4 repetoire I had from Sam Collins book. It served me well. Just need to switch a few lines maybe. Never liked advance variation against the french.
I play the Caro and 1 d4 as White.
Yes but what 1. d4 lines do you play?
I dont feel you can link the two. I play aggresively as white, because I can - KG or Vienna Gambit if 1...e5, Morra if 1...c5, a gambit sideline if 1...e6 (always 1.e4 for me). I play the caro and the slav because I feel as black the best way to play is slowly, neutralise the 1st move advantage, equlise, and then push for the win.
I do that too
d4 c4 nf3 e4
I think I may not be the only one getting attached to these two sister defenses, caro-kann and slav, as black. But what about white? What opening choices suit a caro/slav player as white?
Something really boring and unimaginative
I think I may not be the only one getting attached to these two sister defenses, caro-kann and slav, as black. But what about white? What opening choices suit a caro/slav player as white?
Something really boring and unimaginative
LOL! :-D
As white, I like to play Ruy Lopez, either Berlim or Exchange lines.
But I'm a fan of Queen Gambit.
But I'll play only English as soon as I can prepare my repository.
But, besides everything, everyone knows that Bird Attack (1. f4!!!!) or Larsen Attack (1. b3 !!!!) owns *everytime*. :-)
u guys just mad caro is good for black to draw :)
After losing game after game playing the Sicilian, I finally tried the Caro-Kann. Oh. My. GOD! It is the best opening in chess! I love the solidity, the positions, and the fun I have! Black gets to do all the attacking against white's weak pawns and white just defends, defends, etc... i would hate to be white against the caro kann
I play 1.e4 and then generally play what I feel like from there. Of course, I tend to pick the sharpest lines I can find against everything except 1...e5, in which case I tend to opt for a Four Knights, though I'm making an effort to learn the Italian.
saying what 1.d4 lines do you play is alot like asking what 1.e4 lines you play. it depends on what black does (unless your playing with yourself). if you understand the caro-slav theory for both sides then mabie a queens gamibit for white, where the pawn structure will likely feel normal to you. but mainly, you should look at black defenses to 1.d4 and build your openings based off the defense. for instance what to do in QGA,QGD, slav, semi-slav, indian games ect.
The London System is not as great as it seems for Caro-Slav players because
1) The London System (trying to play a Caro-Slav with colors reversed) fails to give Caro-Slav players a coherent White identity that is distinct from their Black identity.
2) The London System also has move order problems that force White into playing sharp and wild positions that Caro-Slav players tend to dislike. For example, after 1 d4 c5, White must play 2 d5 [since 2 c3 is too passive], entering the Benoni, thus move-ordering White out of a stable Caro-Slav style position on the first move.
The English Opening is the White Opening that best fits the style of Caro-Slav players. The English Opening shares the Caro-Slav theme of fighting for the light squares [especially d5]. Furthermore, both the Caro-Slav complex and the English opening usually lead to semi-open solid positions, where a knowledge of the typical structures is paramount. In the English opening, a Caro-Slav player should head for the Botvinnik set-up when plausible. This set-up is highly solid and less familiar to many class players.
1 Nf3 might also be good for Caro-Slav players, but in my experience, 1 c4 is more solid than 1 Nf3 because after 1 Nf3, Black has more ways to make the game sharp. 1 Nf3, intending to play the English without allowing e5, also limits White's options [since in a number of English lines, the king's knight is better placed on e2]. Furthermore, in principle, White should not fear 1 c4 e5 since White's extra tempo in the Sicilian reversed gives White excellent chances for an advantage.
I love when decade old forums get revived
i always though the QGD and the Botvinniks Carls defense variation of the caro were basically the same pawn structure. i always play queens gambit if they accept but my main theory is in QGD. still i almost prefer black Tho it's so easy to sit and wait for them to blunder a center pawn in the caro
IMO
On Slave 1) d4 d5 2) c4 c6 :
a : 3) cxd5 cxd5 the position is symmetrical with one more move for White so there is no rational or logical reason to believe Black would be in a winning or advantageous position and we play this to avoid the Semi-Slav Defense that I find strong for Black.
b : otherwise there is 3) e3 that can be intersting because for example 3)...dxc4 4) Bxc4 Ff5? 5) Qb3
On Caro–Kann 1) e4 c6 :
To play normal 2) d4 d5 3) Nc3 dxe4 4) Nxe4 and then I find there is rather one variant that can be annoying, 4...Nf6 5) Nxf6+ gxf6 (because the position is or seems dangerous) and at worst we can play 5) Nc3 inside of 5) Nxf6+
I think I may not be the only one getting attached to these two sister defenses, caro-kann and slav, as black. But what about white? What opening choices suit a caro/slav player as white?