atleast to my patzer eyes 
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Playable positions and quick wins almost seems like a contradiction.
If you want to improve, play tactical stuff. Play the Scotch Gambit or something against 1...e5, the Smith-Morra or Open Sicilians, the Two Knights against the Caro, 3. Nc3 against the French, and some sort of Sicilian against 1. e4 with a Grunfeld against 1. d4.
Yeh i do. well i mean if attack would be defended properlly its still playable position.Unlike sth like 4 move checkmate attempt wich leaves you with dubious position and is really easy to parry :DD I actually like and play all openings u mentioned exept french and CK I play exchange variations with c4 follow up
that line is quite tactical in petrov, dont u think?
Don't play that as black; it's not very sound.
But yes the exchange variations of the Caro and French with 4. c4 are also good ways of handling them. Especially the French- people will not know the theory and will be caught off-guard, as they expected a closed position, not an open one.
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But yes the exchange variations of the Caro and French with 4. c4 are also good ways of handling them. Especially the French- people will not know the theory and will be caught off-guard, as they expected a closed position, not an open one.
The c4 Exchange variations have been more popular over the last several years, so going with "they will probably not know the theory" is a horrible reason (it's a bad reason in general). They can get into positions where White can try to get some active play with an isolated d-pawn, but in general I think you can't expect more than a slight advantage to White against the c4 Exchange Caro (the Panov) and equality for both sides with its French counterpart.
Oh, and pointing out, if you play the c4 Exchange French, you better know QGA theory after 4...dxc4.
true
also pawn on e5 always weak...
@drybasin The repertoire is for patzers. The other lines I recommended, for white anyway, give black equality too. The Scotch Gambit doesn't give a theoretical edge, and the SMG doesn't give white any advantage with best play by black either.
some lines... dont know much bout all this, seems interesting stuff however
exactlly! yeh we dont play computers or theorists here. Just havin fun 
its just a game anyway
@dpnorman: I understand it is for patzers, and I understand that your other lines can give Black equality as well. What I have issue with is the "opponents will not know the theory" nonsense. Quite frankly, if it's necessary to use that when advocating an opening, it's often good to not recommend it at all. In this case, the c4 variations you used that argument for are okay, but not best. Your other ideas, however, are fine. I think it's important, though, to not focus on one part of your play, but to have a mixture of opening variations to improve your entire play, even though emphasis on tactics IS more important on the lower level.
@Devilish: 3...Nxe4? is quite simply a bad move. With decent play White always has a good advantage without much compensation from Black, especially if White has an extra pawn. It might be playable in blitz, but that's about it.
Yeah, I understand, and sure, I guess the Monte Carlo is becoming more well-known now so my point about it not being something your opponent is likely to know is somewhat moot.
there is interesting video of that by international master Andrew Martin
infact I compeletely agree bout all the mootness bout "opponents will not know the theory" but to me seems a bit strange how many fellow patzers interested just in openings. sometimes AT first they just try to find "what is the best opening" :) and end up playn sicilians, ruy lopez ,and get to em deeper and deeper :D try to play complete best openings and moves when in reality its not that important if u game suck in general. No ending NO middlegame, no nothing just couple moves of mostlly known opening and just pure rubish after that. Tactics, middle game plans and endings for sure more important thing to learn, infact opening is pretty much useless in our patzer level, but i mean if top grandmasters dont play some openings, doesnt mean that u cant play some fun reasonable openings...
At what rating are you considered a "patzer"
good question, difficult to answer. depends on person :D to Magnus carlsen someone would be a patzer and to me same person would be master... Its subjective thing :D Im definetelly one, so having rating similar as mine i would consider patzer aswell :) having rating here of 2000 looks very strong to me...
:DD its not that bad as you think :) rather dangerous and a bit underrated i would say...