Confusion about learning openings

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dannyhume

For someone interested in long-term chess development, how does one learn openings?

Here are the answers I have come across over the past several months followed by some of practical concerns/questions I have had in attempting to minimally include opening study to my tactics/endgames drilling...

1. Learn opening "principles":  Principles are meaningless at my level since they are harder to learn for a lower-level player than specific lines.  Is that not why concrete concepts such as tactics/mates are generally studied before strategy/positional play?

2. Learn "why" the opening move was made:  At my level, this also means nothing...the "why" is because the commentator said so.  If I truly knew and understood "why", I'd be at least a "weak" GM.  And being able to parrot 11 opening principles does not mean one understands openings or knows enough to get to a decent middlegame position.

3. Do not memorize lines/variations/repertoires:  But I will have to do so anyway eventually, so why not drill a GM-book repertoire starting now and use it for the next several years (likely won't be refuted by Expert or below players, right?).

4. Don't memorize traps since they are just tactics:  Traps can be memorized by a weaker player and used against a tactically stronger player. Also, I wonder if learning traps/miniatures can be akin to studying master games, in that they help demonstrate the ideas of certain openings and tactical consequences that can arise from them.

5. Study open games first:  Why not get a balanced early exposure to semi-open and closed game concepts also, especially since it must be done eventually anyway?

6. Study games of masters in your "style":  How would a low-level player/beginner know what their style is?  I like Tal's crazy attacks, but would also love an impenetrable fortess a la Petrosian/Karpov.  How do I know my style until I have gained the necessary skill and experience to truly understand what style I truly mesh with?

7. Play one particular opening and stick to it for at least a year in order to learn it fairly well:  Does this pigeon-hole me into a particular opening or style, requiring me to re-learn everything if I switch to an unrelated opening?  Am I better off drilling the first 4-5 moves of dozens of openings to see the variety of positions that can arise (which may therefore help with my "general" chess development)?

Finally, even the great Bobby Fischer said something to someone about going through ECO twice as their "first lesson" and I wonder if it is not just about memorization but rather about the variety of opening structures/positions/ideas that one can absorb subconsiously just through seeing/playing through these various lines repetitively (drilling them either OTB or using chess positions trainer or chess openings wizard, for instance).

I appreciate any hear advice on the best balanced way of including openings in my chess training (which is primarily tactics and endgames, but I want it all), so I can stop obsessing about it.  Sorry for the length.  Thanks.

Shivsky

Everything is good => just two good pieces of advice that I could add:

1. Get firmly cemented into the mindset that the opening study is MERELY a means to get to the middle game with an equal position at the very least, no matter who your opposition is (Garry or the guy down the street)

 Anything else that an opening (or an author) promises is fake advertising. You will not "crush" your opponents with it nor will it hide the rest of the defects in your chess against a stronger player. They will surgically dismantle you no matter how booked up you are.  

So whenever you feel you're going overboard with opening preparation,keep this in mind.

2. If you have long term goals and have a lot of time,  try learning one new move for every game you played.  That might ease the amount of information you are pumping into your brain. I've seen people claim that they can go over  4-5 opening tabiyas in 30 minutes and assimilate all the ideas, not sure how they do that or if they are rote-memorizing  ... but it is much more realistic to play the game naturally, then during the post-mortem, look up where you or your opponent deviated from the lines and "learn" the one new move that keeps you in theory. The next time you play this line, you'd be able to confidently play one more "best move" in the opening. This also allows you to "gently" adjust the thinking that picked the earlier move and nudge it towards picking the "better" move.  If you're not convinced that the book move was better, get with a stronger player and ask him.

Regarding your style => People at our level really shouldn't ever claim to have a style ... I'd re-word it to "type of game/system I have fun/feel comfortable with". :)

So look at a game where you had a lot of fun playing. Not one where you won or crushed somebody ... it could be a game you lost, but enjoyed playing,.

For me it is usually one where all the "natural" moves that I could come up ended up being good, where I intuitively understood the ideas and every aspect of the opening made near-perfect sense to me.   For some, this could be a sharp line in a wild opening or for others, it could be a patient + safe positional improvement of pieces.  

Figure out what's comfortable and "natural-looking" for you. Shop around with different types of games and you'll soon start leaning towards a flavor you like.

Hermes3

I do not agree with some of these statements, and I would like to share my understanding, and experience regarding the openings. 

1: Learning openings doesn't mean following some lines blindly, nor is it extremely difficult to learn the concept behind them. Nobody needs to learn all the variations of each opening in couple weeks. I pick an opening and study the main line, and learn what is it's aim. Then I go and play it. If my opponent makes random moves against it, he usually finds himself in an disadvantage. But if he gives me good responses, which I do not know how to deal with yet, I go back to study after the game, and compare those responses with the openings known variations. I try and see how different responses works. Then I go play more, and go back to study, repeating this cycle.  By doing that I remember the lines naturally without trying to memorize them. 

2. It doesn't require anybody to be a weak GM for understanding the why an opening move was made, nor understanding it will increase your level to GM. I think the person who makes "parroting opening principles" statement would have a difficulty in learning anything. Studying something, learning its principles is far from parroting what others says. Its more about observing, understanding, and making your own conclusion. 

3. I do not memorize the lines, but by studying the openings, and playing them in my games, I find myself remembering them. 

4. I find tactics workouts very useful. I don't think they need to be studied exclusively. They all are part of my study program, and I don't see any reason for others to exclude one or the other either. 

5. I think a chess coach or a master can talk more on this. I don't know what is the reason of such an advice. Maybe some people find open games more exciting, or easier to play.  I enjoy both open and closed games. 

6. I don't know which master fits my style either. I explore master's games with the openings or strategies I focus on. Database programs are useful for finding these kind of games. I also explore famous games in general. 

7. I don't think one needs to re-learn everything when they start studying a different opening. Everything we learn about chess adds up. Learning one thing does not exclude the other things we learn. I believe the person who makes this statement doesn't understand the essence of studying the openings. Once it is understood, the reason of behind this advice will become more clear.

GM Dzindzichashvili said something on openings I find very important. He said "  I am not good at openings, but I am a great middle game player is a meaningless thing to say, because without a good opening, one can never have an advantage in the middle game". 

Perhaps just by playing with players weaker than ourselves, we do not understand how true what he said is.  But it is true, and if anybody is going to spend their time on studying chess it is better to spend it on the methods that are proven to be useful for not wasting any time.  

marvellosity
dannyhume wrote:

2. Learn "why" the opening move was made:  At my level, this also means nothing...the "why" is because the commentator said so.  If I truly knew and understood "why", I'd be at least a "weak" GM.  And being able to parrot 11 opening principles does not mean one understands openings or knows enough to get to a decent middlegame position.

3. Do not memorize lines/variations/repertoires:  But I will have to do so anyway eventually, so why not drill a GM-book repertoire starting now and use it for the next several years (likely won't be refuted by Expert or below players, right?).

4. Don't memorize traps since they are just tactics:  Traps can be memorized by a weaker player and used against a tactically stronger player. Also, I wonder if learning traps/miniatures can be akin to studying master games, in that they help demonstrate the ideas of certain openings and tactical consequences that can arise from them.

5. Study open games first:  Why not get a balanced early exposure to semi-open and closed game concepts also, especially since it must be done eventually anyway?

6. Study games of masters in your "style":  How would a low-level player/beginner know what their style is?  I like Tal's crazy attacks, but would also love an impenetrable fortess a la Petrosian/Karpov.  How do I know my style until I have gained the necessary skill and experience to truly understand what style I truly mesh with?

7. Play one particular opening and stick to it for at least a year in order to learn it fairly well:  Does this pigeon-hole me into a particular opening or style, requiring me to re-learn everything if I switch to an unrelated opening?  Am I better off drilling the first 4-5 moves of dozens of openings to see the variety of positions that can arise (which may therefore help with my "general" chess development)?

Finally, even the great Bobby Fischer said something to someone about going through ECO twice as their "first lesson" and I wonder if it is not just about memorization but rather about the variety of opening structures/positions/ideas that one can absorb subconsiously just through seeing/playing through these various lines repetitively (drilling them either OTB or using chess positions trainer or chess openings wizard, for instance).

I appreciate any hear advice on the best balanced way of including openings in my chess training (which is primarily tactics and endgames, but I want it all), so I can stop obsessing about it.  Sorry for the length.  Thanks.


2) it doesn't mean nothing, and no it wouldn't make you a weak GM. Plenty of moves in any opening will just be normal developing moves, but if you see a move that's a little unusual, or something's done in a particular order, why not have a go at understanding the point of it?

3) you will have to do so eventually, but there are better uses of your time for now. Namely tactics.

4) I don't see the harm at looking at a few traps. As long as they're not all you're aiming for.

5) study open games first because that's where tactical play is foremost. If you can't get any proficiency at tactics, then when closed and semi-closed finally become open (as in the very large majority of cases they always will eventually) you will lose horribly. Open games rarely become closed.

6) Too early for this imo. You need to improve before you think about this.

7) Play limited numbers of openings so that you feel comfortable in what you're playing. I'm a lot better than you (not meaning to be arrogant) and I have a fairly narrow repertoire. You don't need lots of openings, your time can be spent better elsewhere - tactics!

Generally speaking, until you're about 1800 turn-based here, you can play pretty average or even bad openings as long as they don't simply lose you material. Because there *will* be tactical opportunities for both sides. This is, above all, what will make the difference.

Shakaali

Here is my take on your concerns.

  1. There are not that many opening principles that are important and knowing them makes understanding opening phase much easier as often good opening moves apply them (not always though... learning to see exceptions is part of getting stronger). However, you are right that you often see long (too long) list of principles as if they were some laws of nature that always hold true. The thruth is that these principles are only true most of the time and you absolutely must also try to understand the reasoning behind them. Unfortunately many authors skip this explaining part altogether. 
  2. Imagine your opponent plays a move you have never seen before in a familiar opening position. This move is a mistake and if you know the reason behind the normal move in that position it helps you to see the weaknesses of your opponents move (that can be quite subtle) and punnish him for it.
  3. Good luck to you for memorizing several thousand pages of grandmaster theory. Even if you manage to do that your opponent is not going know all this stuff and is going to make some odd move you have never seen before. This move is so bad that no GM has ever bothered to consider it but you are in completely strange position where you have no clue what's going on and loose a horrible game - how embarrassing!
  4. Studying traps could perhaps be usefull as a part of tactics training. However, you should not base your game to cheap traps that just worsen your position if dealt properly. According to my experience strong players usually see through these traps anyway.
  5. There are two good reasons to study open positions first. Firstly, open positions do not transform to closed anymore since the pawns are not going to return on the board once they have been captured whereas closed positions can and often will open up at some point. So in that sense you already have to master the basics of open positions before learning about the closed positions. Second reason is that the game tends to be more tactical in an open position and therefore playing them is going to assist in your tactical training which is essential for a beginner.
  6. You maybe have a point here. I think this advice is for somewhat more advanced players. When starting out the most important master to study might well be Morphy because he is the first one that really understood the importnace of fast development and already plays open positions in a pretty modern manner.
  7. It makes sense that playing couple openings reasonably well brings you better succes than playing everything badly. This way you can also probably practice agains stronger opponents.

To summarize: Understanding, understanding and UNDERSTANDING!

VLaurenT

Understanding is really key. As for the basic opening principles, they are not that difficult to understand, are they ? Frown

  • try to fight for the center squares (e4, d4, e5, d5) by putting pawns on these squares and trying to control it with your pieces
  • develop your pieces,
  • castle your king to safety,

...and of course (but this is not specific to the opening phase) - look for your opponent's threats and try to twart his plans Smile

If you have any specific question, send me a message, and I'd be glad to help Smile

Shivsky

Good points about tactics being the absolute  prerequisite to openings ( or playing any serious chess, for that matter).

Tactics is to chess what weight training is to a prize-fighter.   There's no point being a master strategist who's booked up all of your opponent's moves if you step into a ring and can't throw or take a punch.

dannyhume
Thanks all for the good posts.  The most practical advice seems to be post #2 by Shivsky, the "gently" method which prevents "going overboard" with openings (which is a big concern), but which option is better for a budding player devoting 15 minutes daily to openings?... 
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a) Stick with 1-2 openings to practice Shivsky's advice (learn fewer openings deeply, which I would need to do eventually); or
b) Survey multiple openings and "gently" learn the principles behind the wide variety of "good" moves (to be versatile, which I would need to be eventually anyway)? 
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(I did not intend italics...pressing the italics button isn't reversing it...highlighting the entire post and pressing italics button isn't reversing it...sorry).
I appreciate the comments from all you stronger players, including the arrogant Marvellosity Cool, regarding closed games going to open but not vice-versa, something I never really thought about.  Nonetheless, I hate being cramped by a pawn chain and being down a piece or 2 when the position finally opens up.
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Tactics take up 80-90% of my chess study time (endgames and playing make up the rest), but according to chess.com computer-analysis my "inaccuracies" are exponentially(!) higher than my "mistakes" and "blunders" relative to similar-rated opponents, so I feel the need to start addressing this weakness and incorporate openings into my routine, even if for just 15 minutes daily.  I will still focus primarily on tactics and endgames. 

Any more specific practical insight would be much appreciated.  And if you can convince me that openings are not necessary below 1900, I am willing to listen in spite of my stubbornness and game stats (I want to believe it even though I am not entirely convinced, so please plant that seed). 

dannyhume

I like the logical sequence of studying openings you have described, Estragon. Going through master games is alway fun, but I am often at a loss with "typical" middlegame positions, especially when even material gets shuffled for 20+ moves without an easily-perceivable advantage that my limited chess-vision will recognize (except for some lame analysis such as "oh yeah, the rook moved to a semi-open file like it wants").  But I guess that kind of learning is in the manner Silman/others describe: going through lots of GM games fairly quickly and, with time and repetition, subconsciously absorbing patterns of master play. 

It seems that most advice centers on learning the "logic" portion of chess first (tactics/calculation, strategic/positional thinking, opening principles, and some endgame techniques) which makes perfect sense, but it is never clear how or when to start incorporating the "memorization" portion (like simple opening lines, which can be memorized by a weaker player and immediately improve tournament performance), whether to "save" memorization for later or to start doing it now alongside the "logic" stuff.   This is further complicated by advice which says to have a rote-memorized (simple) opening repertoire if one ever want to compete in tournaments, even at a low class level.  

TheOldReb

Memorizing opening moves is certainly NOT as important in all forms of chess and at all levels. I have often faced situations in which I didnt know the next "book move" at say move 10 and would manage to find a reasonable response, though I might take ten minutes of my thinking time to find it. If its a G/30 game and I have use a third of my allowed time on one move I may be in serious time trouble, ofcourse, if my opponent is 1200 I will probably be ok, but if he is 2500 I am likely doomed........ in the playing environment here spending only 10 minutes on a critical move is playing blitz !  Wink

smileative

blimey reb, I don't s'pose I has spent 10 mins thinkin' about a move more than thrice whole time I bin on this site Smile

ninevah

I was (and still am) a very poor player in the opening. Yes, I am a rated player (approximatelly equal to the border between Class A and Expert levels in the USCF system) but I have difficulties learning by memorizations so this is what I did:

First, back in the days, I started with one of the most basic opening - the Italian Game. This opening follows all the theoretical principles and provides an exciting and tactically rich game. Back then (the mid 90s) we had no databases, rarely anybody had Internet and the only person I know who had Fritz was my second trainer. So our only source were books and the game we analyzed and played.

Here is what I'm a bit worried now: beginning chess players rely too much on computers and databases. Those sources, however, do not explain why a move is good or bad - they just give you a percentage or a numerical evaluation. You should try to first to analyze your games on your board without using computer.

Get a game you lost, think why you and your opponent played every single move. Write your analysis down on a piece of paper and then and only then check with the computer. This has 3 major benefits:

1) You get to learn new tactics and principles.

2) Your analyzational skills improve.

3) You understand better the opening of your choice, as well as the typical middlegame position that comes out of it.

None of this happens when you rely primarily on a computer for the analysis. The computer feeds you quick data but does not teach you anything.

So, what happens after that? I ditched the Italian game and felt in love with the Scotch game. I'm still playing the Scotch and it is my favorite weapon against 1. ... e5. I don't want to go into the 1.d4 openings with white simply because there are rims and rims of theory: the QGs, Slav, Semi-Slav, Gruenfeld, all the Indians, etc. And because those openings lead to a very positional game and you just have to know loads of positional principles to find your way. I would not recommend 1.d4 for anybody under 1800 OTB rating and sound understanding of positional play.

Gradually, through playing, I learned anti-Sicilians methods and how to play against the French and the Caro-Kann. Even if my opponents lead me into a dark forest of theory I know what to use to find my way out.

At that point people started playing 1.d4 against me. This is when I started learning theory. Note that before that point you learn by playing, memorization is not needed. However, at this point I was assisted by some knowledge of positional play and tactics so getting to know new openings was easy.

TheOldReb

I agree that engine analysis and the data bases are becoming a "crutch" for many new players, especially those who do not play much , or any, otb chess. Their weakness will be exposed when they sit down at the board with players who don't do this and actually understand the positions/openings they play, an understanding that only comes through experience and not through engine analysis. Databases and engines certainly have their place in trying to become stronger players but I think they can also hinder a players development if they are misused or relied upon too heavily.

smileative

couldn't agree more, Reb, it's like when you use power-tools; you don't learn to use your hands an' ur hand-tools - people forget how to learn in a practical fashion, an' then they doesn't trust to rely on their own gifts Smile

TheOldReb
smileative wrote:

blimey reb, I don't s'pose I has spent 10 mins thinkin' about a move more than thrice whole time I bin on this site


 I used to do it that way too and couldnt break 2200 here until I quit playing like that.... Laughing

dannyhume

An NM!  Now this thread seems legit...thanks Reb.  I appreciate your input, especially when you refer to "all levels", as it helps ease my pressure of trying to memorize an opening repertoire and attempt to memorize a large database.

Ninevah, smileative, and Reb, I agree that large databases that just show the moves without commentary is less helpful for the learning player, but they do provide quick exposure to multiple patterns/games/styles of play, which is essentially a weaker form of experience (but which can be done at any hour of the night when the alternative is nothing)...learning through pattern recognition.  Of course, a deeply annotated database accessible to all levels of players would be ideal, but that would require many many positions to be commented upon.

As far as analyzing my own games, do I (at my current level) really need a computer or stronger player to tell me that I hung my rook on move 18, or that I lost my bishop to a 2-3 move combo?  Perhaps the time spent playing/analyzing a blunder-ridden beginner-level game is best spent drilling tactics and learning positional play.  

But I am beginning to understand the comments, namely that innumerable games will have innumerable novel positions that need to be analyzed OTB/post-mortem and therefore logical tactical/positional analysis skills require more attention than opening memorization at my level (all levels as per Reb), and will be applicable to learning any opening/opponent.  

No new or earth-shattering ideas in these comments, but it helps to hear other people respond specifically to the way I opened the thread since I don't hear the same trite repetitive advice that I am expected to take "on faith", when the specific application and reasoning of that advice to the beginner is somewhat unclear.  

ravl

I recently started wondering the same thing, and made a quick reference to this on my blog in Chess.com. I made a post questioning the learning of opening theory, since most of my games at my level are usually out of book by move 3. At my level, it's always about opening traps, kamikaze queen expeditions, over-extend to try to mate on f7 and such moves.

When I started learning openings I would memorize move sequences, and often keep playing the sequence after my opponent had already deviated from the line. Then I stopped memorizing and went to simply play, not trying to get into any particular line.

Then I found a better way to train my openings, I looked for opening books with explanations rather than just variations. Then I loaded the positions (including dubious lines and blunders, not just the main line I prefer) into a database program that allows me to play against the database. The program plays a random move from the saved positions and you have to play the correct response, when you don't it tells you. There are so many positions that most of the time, I don't really remember the response, I need to deduce it. And since I am doing this within the same complex of openings (the Ruy Lopez), I started seeing things repeating in different lines, started to understand the objective of many of the moves. And when I'm really stuck, I go back to the book and read the explanation to the continuation.

Still, I think been surprised in the opening will always happen, like one of my games here, where my opponent played the St. George's Defense.

dannyhume
ravl wrote:

I recently started wondering the same thing, and made a quick reference to this on my blog in Chess.com. I made a post questioning the learning of opening theory, since most of my games at my level are usually out of book by move 3. At my level, it's always about opening traps, kamikaze queen expeditions, over-extend to try to mate on f7 and such moves.

When I started learning openings I would memorize move sequences, and often keep playing the sequence after my opponent had already deviated from the line. Then I stopped memorizing and went to simply play, not trying to get into any particular line.

Then I found a better way to train my openings, I looked for opening books with explanations rather than just variations. Then I loaded the positions (including dubious lines and blunders, not just the main line I prefer) into a database program that allows me to play against the database. The program plays a random move from the saved positions and you have to play the correct response, when you don't it tells you. There are so many positions that most of the time, I don't really remember the response, I need to deduce it. And since I am doing this within the same complex of openings (the Ruy Lopez), I started seeing things repeating in different lines, started to understand the objective of many of the moves. And when I'm really stuck, I go back to the book and read the explanation to the continuation.

Still, I think been surprised in the opening will always happen, like one of my games here, where my opponent played the St. George's Defense.


 

What software do you use to train openings?  I own COW Professional (never used Chess Positions Trainer, though it seems the rave). I like it but most of the opening e-books are from the mid-1990's, still good enough for my level, but I'd rather just have more updated material if available.  

Also, COW considers you "trained" for a position as long as you pick any of the candidate moves, so if you only remember 1 of 5 good candidate moves, you may still be considered "trained" in that position even though you totally forgot the other 4 possible responses, yet the benefit of an opening repertoire ought to be flexibility/versatility/comfort in knowing various alternate lines.

I'd much rather prefer a software that allows me to input the opening book and then feeds me random positions from that opening, helping me train potential alternate good moves, and feeding me positions that give me the most trouble and positions that I rarely encounter because I forget to consider them.

ravl
dannyhume wrote:

What software do you use to train openings? 


I use SCID . It's open source and free. Cool

It's all I use, it has many many features, openings is just one.

Captainbob767
dannyhume wrote:
ravl wrote:

I recently started wondering the same thing, and made a quick reference to this on my blog in Chess.com. I made a post questioning the learning of opening theory, since most of my games at my level are usually out of book by move 3. At my level, it's always about opening traps, kamikaze queen expeditions, over-extend to try to mate on f7 and such moves.

When I started learning openings I would memorize move sequences, and often keep playing the sequence after my opponent had already deviated from the line. Then I stopped memorizing and went to simply play, not trying to get into any particular line.

Then I found a better way to train my openings, I looked for opening books with explanations rather than just variations. Then I loaded the positions (including dubious lines and blunders, not just the main line I prefer) into a database program that allows me to play against the database. The program plays a random move from the saved positions and you have to play the correct response, when you don't it tells you. There are so many positions that most of the time, I don't really remember the response, I need to deduce it. And since I am doing this within the same complex of openings (the Ruy Lopez), I started seeing things repeating in different lines, started to understand the objective of many of the moves. And when I'm really stuck, I go back to the book and read the explanation to the continuation.

Still, I think been surprised in the opening will always happen, like one of my games here, where my opponent played the St. George's Defense.


 

What software do you use to train openings?  I own COW Professional (never used Chess Positions Trainer, though it seems the rave). I like it but most of the opening e-books are from the mid-1990's, still good enough for my level, but I'd rather just have more updated material if available.  

Also, COW considers you "trained" for a position as long as you pick any of the candidate moves, so if you only remember 1 of 5 good candidate moves, you may still be considered "trained" in that position even though you totally forgot the other 4 possible responses, yet the benefit of an opening repertoire ought to be flexibility/versatility/comfort in knowing various alternate lines.

I'd much rather prefer a software that allows me to input the opening book and then feeds me random positions from that opening, helping me train potential alternate good moves, and feeding me positions that give me the most trouble and positions that I rarely encounter because I forget to consider them.


The nice thing about Chess Position Trainer is you can create your own opening repertoires using chessopeningspgn.com files, and loading them into CPT. It's free and any opening that you feel you need practice on can be created in a few minutes, and you can use the training function of CPT to learn the different variations.