1.d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 is perfect good after 3e4 have to be prepared to play an e6 sicilian after 3...pxo 4Nxp but most 1.d4 players aren't going to be too keen on that.
If play a dutch after 2c4 with f5 can't really see the problem with f5 after 2Nf3 either.
1.d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 is perfect good after 3e4 have to be prepared to play an e6 sicilian after 3...pxo 4Nxp but most 1.d4 players aren't going to be too keen on that.
If play a dutch after 2c4 with f5 can't really see the problem with f5 after 2Nf3 either.
Classical Dutch is losing to the London, that's why I decided to limit it only to c4
c5 is a good move against the London but playing e6 and c5 as black, white may steer you into Modern Benoni type positions.
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I agree that the London seems good against the Dutch.
I'm happy to play 1d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 3e4, going into an e6 Sicilian. There are possible transpositions from an e6 Sicilian to an Advance French, so the French player may wish to expand their opening boundaries. One should not limit one's opening study by opening name; names are there to help description and not confine a player to opening "loyalty"...
And it must be said: a d4 player who refrains from the most expansive c4, by playing the stodgier Nf3, is possible temperamentally unlikely to go into Sicilian territory...In fact after 1d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 3e3, Colle systems are necessary considerations for the 1...e6 universal player...Another line is, 1d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 3e3 d5 4c4 Nf6 leading to the half Tarrasch
Personally have found e6 sicilians and french fit together quite well. Can re-use a lot of the side-lines in either move order. In english club play very common for players to avoid main-lines and it made it easy to change from playing French to Taimanov sicilian.
Against 1d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 I found it most common for players to play 3c3. This is of course no problem for black, and indication of unambitious nature of most 1.d4 club players.
If play the dutch don't see what is so terrifying about 1.d4 e6 2Nf3 f5 3Bf4 nothing is losing on move 3, and 3...Nf6 4e3 Be7 5Bd3 0.0 60.0 then b6 or d6 it's an unplaced reasonable game for black. Have avoided the stodge most London players want.
Personally have found e6 sicilians and french fit together quite well. Can re-use a lot of the side-lines in either move order. In english club play very common for players to avoid main-lines and it made it easy to change from playing French to Taimanov sicilian.
Against 1d4 e6 2Nf3 c5 I found it most common for players to play 3c3. This is of course no problem for black, and indication of unambitious nature of most 1.d4 club players.
If play the dutch don't see what is so terrifying about 1.d4 e6 2Nf3 f5 3Bf4 nothing is losing on move 3, and 3...Nf6 4e3 Be7 5Bd3 0.0 60.0 then b6 or d6 it's an unplaced reasonable game for black. Have avoided the stodge most London players want.
If a london player just castles queenside, dutch defence is dead
I guess you try to limit the theory you have to read but By playing e6 you automatically shut down your light square bishop thus you have to fianchetto it. I would prefer to keep my chances of playing something like Bf5 and then closing the pawn chain (something like a slav set up) if white allows it with a quiet move order like 1d4 and 2 Nf3. Since you don't want to play the QGD as black I would say that 2c5 or 2Nf6 are the best moves.
I guess you try to limit the theory you have to read but By playing e6 you automatically shut down your light square bishop thus you have to fianchetto it. I would prefer to keep my chances of playing something like Bf5 and then closing the pawn chain (something like a slav set up) if white allows it with a quiet move order like 1d4 and 2 Nf3. Since you don't want to play the QGD as black I would say that 2c5 or 2Nf6 are the best moves.
I play e6 because I want the french. Thanks for help, I'll try to research about c5
You seem to have made up your mind on that. The dutch is a risky opening, but if think the position after 3Bf4 is so hard for black, doubt is for you in any version.
You seem to have made up your mind on that. The dutch is a risky opening, but if think the position after 3Bf4 is so hard for black, doubt is for you in any version.
Kingside attack is dead, all white pawn march on my king, 67% win rate for white according to lichess
@lassus_dinnao
You're welcome. I also don't recommend playing the Dutch because it can get ugly for black because of the weakened king.
@lassus_dinnao
You're welcome. I also don't recommend playing the Dutch because it can get ugly for black because of the weakened king.
I was a dutch-only player in the past, so I know it. That's why I decided to limit it only to queens gambit
indeed. On defense, you will always have concessions. Minimizing them is always of key importance and it's not always on whatever opening you play. It's Mindset. As black, realistically there are only two true outcomes-draw or lose. That's it. Winning is only a possibility not a probability. To quote a Great Player, "Equalize first, then fish for something...". As it is, when asking for advice keep an open mind and not dismiss something because it doesn't fit with your expectations; otherwise just go and play whatever. Don't overthink it~either it works for you or it doesn't and lastly, dammit if I didn't "told you soo!"
So, I'm currently trying to finish my repertoire against d4. I've ran into a silly problem tho. What if white plays 2.Nf3? In the c6 repertoire I could play Nf6 to wait but since I want to get f5 against c4 I can't afford playing it. I also can't play 2.d5 because if white plays 3.c4 I'm in a QGD instead of dutch. Lichess studies suggest 2.c5 against both Nf3 and London. Is it a good way to go?