d4 then is there a good solid response?

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Master_Po

Okay, say d5, the white plays c4.  Is there some lesser known solid response for black without jamming up the center or using c6 or e6?  Or rather than d5 for black, is there another lesser known good solid response?  Thanks for any help.  

Magnetic_Attitude

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chess_Opening_Theory/1._d4

You can look up pretty much any kind of opening with short explanations on your own...

BlooTooth101

1.D4 NF6 2. C4 G6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.E4 d6 5. NF3 O-O. This is the King's Indian. A very solid opening that gives Black Great chances to Counter Attack. Many GrandMasters play this Opening. 

Stormstout

You can look up Queen's Indian and Nimzo-Indian.

TetsuoShima

play the budapest its very solid i believe, Ivanchuk played it in the candidates...

Master_Po

Thanks all, i have some research to do now.  That King's Indian seems interesting, but white has control of the center with 3 pawns, both N's out and black looks woefully behind?  

JamieKowalski

I've been into the Queen's Indian lately. Easier to learn than many other openings, and solid as a rock. (lol, almost typed "solid as a rook.")

Master_Po

Solid as a rook will work.  Cool Will check it out too.  

Whoa, i like the looks of that Budapest Gambit.  Never heard or seen it and it has surprising elements and shock value  to it. 

JamieKowalski

I don't consider the Budapest very solid, though you can win handily against those who don't know it. It's tempting to go for that kind of "tricky" opening, but you might not learn as much from your played games.

dzikus

Slav is one of the most solid setups against 1.d4

You may however try the Old-Indian 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 e5 or (if you dislike early queen exchange) 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 d6

This opening has quite much in common with Philidor defence which is considered passive but solid

TitanCG

"Jamming up the center" is the solid way to play against d4. You make sure that you always have pawns in the middle of the board and you avoid a space disadvantage. Indian defences are only solid if you understand all the complicated stuff behind them. Otherwise you just get run over and don't know why.

TetsuoShima
JamieKowalski wrote:

I don't consider the Budapest very solid, though you can win handily against those who don't know it. It's tempting to go for that kind of "tricky" opening, but you might not learn as much from your played games.

it was played in the candidates tournament..

Also there are not so many big suprises white has, i dont know why you would consider it as not solid??? Its not like white can go crazy and all of a sudden win crushingly, or has a wining advantage .

please be a bit more explixicit about why its not solid.

bean_Fischer

Why don't you use d4 as white and see what your opponent response? I am personally against 1.e4. Not because it's bad, but just a matter of preference.

JamieKowalski
TetsuoShima wrote:
JamieKowalski wrote:

I don't consider the Budapest very solid, though you can win handily against those who don't know it. It's tempting to go for that kind of "tricky" opening, but you might not learn as much from your played games.

it was played in the candidates tournament..

Also there are not so many big suprises white has, i dont know why you would consider it as not solid??? Its not like white can go crazy and all of a sudden win crushingly, or has a wining advantage .

please be a bit more explixicit about why its not solid.

No crushing win, but White gets an easy edge by returning the pawn with something like: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 Ng4 4.e4 Nxe5 5.f4 

White has a great score with this in the opening database here.

TetsuoShima

ok thank you

BMeck

I enjoy the albin counter gambit as more of shock reply. I have played it a few times with great success. If white is familiar with the lines he or she can get a little advantage but at our level I do not believe it is enough to capatalize. I once had white play book moves up until the middle game, then I won because of white being in an unfamiliar middlegame.

TetsuoShima
BMeck wrote:

I enjoy the albin counter gambit as more of shock reply. I have played it a few times with great success. If white is familiar with the lines he or she can get a little advantage but at our level I do not believe it is enough to capatalize. I once had white play book moves up until the middle game, then I won because of white being in an unfamiliar middlegame.

ironically im at the moment playing 2 games were it seems like i lose a game because the middlegame is unfamiliar to me and i win won the other way around...

BMeck

It baffles me how many people our level ask if an opening is unsound. Almost  everything is sound at our level.

bean_Fischer

Experience is a good teacher. I was a sandbag some time ago. Players beat me up at the club. I can say my level was around 1300-1400.

I spent some money to play good players at the club. They were not mentors, but they were very good players. I seldom won. Even if I did, they were my bonus.

But I am persistent.

One thing was they didn't know names of openings nor their lines. They just knew how to reply and refute moves.

They had answers either you played 1. d4, e4, c4, b4, a4, or whatever.

So if you want to be good, spend some money, got beat up a lot, then eventually you don't care anymore about losing and never think of openings.

TetsuoShima
bean_Fischer wrote:

Experience is a good teacher. I was a sandbag some time ago. Players beat me up at the club. I can say my level was around 1300-1400.

I spent some money to play good players at the club. They were not mentors, but they were very good players. I seldom won. Even if I did, they were my bonus.

But I am persistent.

One thing was they didn't know names of openings nor their lines. They just knew how to reply and refute moves.

They had answers either you played 1. d4, e4, c4, b4, a4, or whatever.

So if you want to be good, spend some money, got beat up a lot, then eventually you don't care anymore about losing and never think of openings.

but why did you have to pay people for??

arent there like million of chessplayers that like to play chess??