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Danish Gambit?? for black
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Wow! So those smothered mates from the TT actually do happen ! Who knew?
Playing the Danish as Black is a definitely lost position in my opinion. I would consider playing it in 1|0 or 2|1 games but nothing longer.
My reasoning is that when White plays the Danish, to develop his attack he gives up two pawns. As compensation he has two bishops on adjacent diagonals aiming down at the enemy's kingside. He also has a pawn on e4, controlling the center.
When Black tries it, White can have a knight or bishop developed due to the extra move. This gives him a chance to fight against the strong attack and seeing as he is up two pawns, it would make sense for Black to lose.
The Danish gambit is not played very often at master level due to the fact that with best play it becomes a drawn game very early. If the opponent has an extra move, it should then lead to a loss.
However, the Danish is a good opening to learn, if only to see how dangerous a bishop pair can be. I used to play the Danish gambit but stopped after realising how weak it made my queenside.
I would love to see OP's game analyzed by Dzindzi.
This is why I stopped playing the Danish as white:
I know I probably missed something, but that is how I see it. If you play the 'Reverse Danish' then there is no advantage in development to start with.
Nov 17, 2012
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I've tried this variation once as Black. Discovered attack against his Queen helped me win.
billwall wrote:
I've tried this variation once as Black. Discovered attack against his Queen helped me win.
That is, in fact, not the danish. It is known as the half-danish and is a sort of halfway-point, losing only one pawn while still speeding up development. I don't think it is as forcing though.
The "pure" Danish gambit is virtually unplayable ( http://www.chess.com/article/view/danish-cracker ) so in reverse it should somehow be losing by force. Not too curious to find out how, though...
Estragon wrote:
I wish the proponents of some of these outlandish gambits would stop to think: there are some 50 2700+ players active today, probably 300 or more 2600+ - if these things were anywhere near playable, don't you think at least a few of the more adventurous among them would play them now and then?
The proper way to present these wild lines is not to pretend they are viable, but admit they rely on catching an opponent unawares, rattling him or causing him to be careless through overconfidence.
The Danish Gambit is not unplayable, it is just not a winning line for White. I have read that it leads to an early draw with best play from both sides, however I no longer play it because piece trades are potentially fatal for White.
That is why my first comment on the thread was saying that trying to play it as Black woule be too dangerous. It is not unsound, however, it is unorthodox.
RSzgvYzxpizmp wrote:
That is why my first comment on the thread was saying that trying to play it as Black woule be too dangerous. It is not unsound, however, it is unorthodox.
If being one or two pawns down for zero compensation is called "unorthodox", then orthodoxy would be the only religion on this planet.
@melvinbluestone: I'm afraid you are missing the whole monty.
Shit will always taste like shit, no matter if you dress them with cherry syrup, or not.
pfren wrote:
RSzgvYzxpizmp wrote:
That is why my first comment on the thread was saying that trying to play it as Black woule be too dangerous. It is not unsound, however, it is unorthodox.
If being one or two pawns down for zero compensation is called "unorthodox", then orthodoxy would be the only religion on this planet.
It seems that you misunderstand me. What I meant is that the Danish decreases White's winning chances, but not to the point where it gives Black an advantage. It is a good way to beat an inexperienced player because they don't know how to defend against the powerful bishops.
RSzgvYzxpizmp wrote:
It seems that you misunderstand me. What I meant is that the Danish decreases White's winning chances, but not to the point where it gives Black an advantage. It is a good way to beat an inexperienced player because they don't know how to defend against the powerful bishops.
Factly, white is material down for nothing in the Danish.
Do you have any "refutation" over the lines I'm suggesting on # 12?
Sometimes you can play a two pawn sac gambit in the opening in a tournament game against a former United States Champion and do ok.
Here is a line I once used--it is not a Danish Gambit but close--it is Goring Gambit two pawn sacrifice...
If you play to give your grandmaster opponent a lot of problems--he might not be able to solve them all....Taylor rule #122
RS in the game you gave the move 9. Bb2 has to be a bad move...
pfren wrote:
RSzgvYzxpizmp wrote:
It seems that you misunderstand me. What I meant is that the Danish decreases White's winning chances, but not to the point where it gives Black an advantage. It is a good way to beat an inexperienced player because they don't know how to defend against the powerful bishops.
Factly, white is material down for nothing in the Danish.
Do you have any "refutation" over the lines I'm suggesting on # 12?
Not nothing. You can't deny that he has rapid development. I never said it was a winning opening. In my opinion, it makes black better as White needs to attack quickly to regain his lost material. I don't believe he has enough compensation but I know that he still has a lot of play from the position. Black has to be careul. Don't get me wrong, I respect your opening knowledge; I just disagree that it screws White over. Black can screw White over if he has the skill; i never denied it.
Relax, I'm not pretending I know everything. I just know the basics that White does have compensation for the two lost pawns, just not enough compensation for a won position.
And what lines are you suggesting sorry? I don't know what you are talking about. Could you please post them? (again if they were already posted)
I tried Danish gambit like play from black side didn't turn out to be good in the begining. One vital mistake from white saved me. Enjoy!! and please comment.