dealing with a passive white

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This is probably a simple question, but how do you deal with a passive white. For Example:

2. Nc3 also appears and is passive.
How do I counter this? should I just take the initiative and attack? (by, for example, playing 2. ... Nf6?
Or does anyone have any other ideas for passive play in the first few moves by white?
Avatar of ncubbie

First I think you should be a little thankful that your opponent isn't pressing for an advantage.

And I do think 2..Nf6 is a good move.  Perhaps followed up with 3..d5 should be good for a least equality.  Generally in 1.e4 e5 openings if black can play get in d5 they are in good shape

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2.Nc3 is not so passive. It waits for 2...Nf6 3. f4, and the black queen can not annoy white's king side as it can do in the normal king's gambit.

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ncubbie wrote:

First I think you should be a little thankful that your opponent isn't pressing for an advantage.

And I do think 2..Nf6 is a good move.  Perhaps followed up with 3..d5 should be good for a least equality.  Generally in 1.e4 e5 openings if black can play get in d5 they are in good shape


this is against 2. d3 right?  please tell me you did not recommend playing the scotch as black

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birdboy1 wrote:
ncubbie wrote:

First I think you should be a little thankful that your opponent isn't pressing for an advantage.

And I do think 2..Nf6 is a good move.  Perhaps followed up with 3..d5 should be good for a least equality.  Generally in 1.e4 e5 openings if black can play get in d5 they are in good shape


this is against 2. d3 right?  please tell me you did not recommend playing the scotch as black


Its not really a reversed scotch.  In a regular scotch game black doesn't play d6 early and is able to actively develop his kings bishop.  In this variation white can only play his bishop out to e2.

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dont think to much about the colours:) if your opponent is to passive consider yourself "white" and go for the initiative

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of course it's not really a reversed scotch if white plays d3.  It's a scotch if white plays 2. Nc3, which was the other move suggested by the OP, and black follows with Nf6 and d5.  That's what I was saying.  A reversed phillidor would be just fine for black, just because the phillidor is so "let the other guy have all the space and hope for a draw"

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Well, first you have to thank white for being passive.

Then you grab the initiative and continue with development.

Each of the moves below gives black a comfortable game - chessgames.com opening explorer:

2...Nf6  46

39.1%

30.4%

30.4%
2...Nc6  16

31.2%

18.8%

50%
2...Bc5  10

40%

60%
Avatar of jtt96

Thank You Everyone.

That makes a lot of sense. I suspected that I should pretend to be white, but this is good confirmation. Thank You

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birdboy1 wrote:

of course it's not really a reversed scotch if white plays d3.  It's a scotch if white plays 2. Nc3, which was the other move suggested by the OP, and black follows with Nf6 and d5.  That's what I was saying.  A reversed phillidor would be just fine for black, just because the phillidor is so "let the other guy have all the space and hope for a draw"


ohh misinterpreted you. my bad. and yeah i agree against Nc3 it would be quite a bad choice.

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Keep asking yourself what he loses by playing a passive move and not taking space. The answer is mostly that you need to take space which mostly means quick equalization.