I won lol, then I lost cause I blundered mate. Same thing your saying, only reversed. I'm 1-1, and that's what mattered. You can't say one game is more important than another.
Defences to the Parham Attack
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nameno1had wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
For something to giggle about while trying to find the game someone tried using the Parham against, I set up the position for the Chessmaster engine to play itself using the Parham. Move 5, white puts the queen back where it came from....any questions about its viability still?
21 moves later, white is down a minor piece...
After 28 moves white is down 3 pawns and being forced to use its initiative to defend instead of attack.
CS, I don't think that's the right position...
The thing is it doesn't seem like the correct position, could you post the moves?
If you guys are so willing to debate to this extent, why not play an unrated game and post the results, engines allowed...then you could play a second for us, to check against those results,with no engines, and see how the human factor plays into this...I am sure there would be some willing mediators...
Jun 11, 2012
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#467
I'd do it, but my sucky engine would probably get pwned by Houdini/Rybka/whatever. I doubt I could contribute enough to the engines play to overcome such monsters and get a draw.
The Parham is not tactical, on the contrary, it is a positional opening. Because positional inaccuracies are not usually serious blunders it gives black only equal chances and a very easy position to play. The reason Black's position is so easy to play is because his ideas are laid out right in front of him.
Move 69, White is down 4 pawns. I seriously doubt any human would have lasted 40 moves or more down so many pawns. That is why I wish we could show the difference in the games between humans and engines with this Attack.
Move 77, white is down 9 pawns.
What are you trolling about?
Jun 11, 2012
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#472
He is having chessmaster play itself in the parham. I do agree that engines don't play optimally in wierd/unsound openings. especially if it is regular chess take the Bongcloud. In regular chess this is the stupidest move you could make taking it from the parham by a long shot. computers horibly misplay it because in regular chess the goal is to get to a superior endgame due to more active king position. they actually sugest Ke1 in most positions.
Jun 11, 2012
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#473
clearly my opponent blundered, but it still brings tears to my eyes.
That's why database numbers are so skewed, because of players that can't Parham...
Chessmaster has this game down to a point that it should easily be a forced win for black, thus winning by 17 pawns, but there are probably multiple possibilities for it to occur and thus the computer can't accurately calculate what one of the mulitple opportunities to win is the strongest, instead of just picking one. Any person would have checkmated white already. I guess now I understand the positional ignorance of a computer.
Bottom line for the Parham. That wasted tempos of bringing out the queen and having to put it back, while black makes a few nice developing moves, created a crack in the foundation, of what would otherwise be a nice kingdom for the white king to reside in. The crack in whites foundation, overtime, grows so great, its a sure loss for white, as long as black is a relevant player.I'll make sure to post the obvious win for black, that Chessmaster can't choose how to win.
Jun 11, 2012
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#476
no because matrix chess is a joke. sure math is important in chess. but really Physics has nothing to do with it. The person who Brings his queen out that early when he will block the natural development of his knight is just begging to loose. also there is no plan once Black equalizes after the opening, or gets an advantage because you are using lines to say. oh but I have the advantage because as soon as you stop checking me/ capturing pawns/ trading off pieces I have a winning attack based on my queen. the key to refuting the parham is to trade queens. trade queens and white has nothing.
If Matrix Chess sucks, then why is Bernard Parham a master? And CS, your line sucks.
The_Gavinator wrote:
If Matrix Chess sucks, then why is Bernard Parham a master? And CS, your line sucks.
I bet it would drive you crazy if everyone on Chess.com, ignored you....lol
Jun 11, 2012
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#479
here is what I mean
I managed to keep the queens on and give Black an advantage while using moves Gavinator and whatup say pwn Black all over the board where in reallity they simply looks sorry compared to Black's Plan
(23...f5 Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-bit -0.86 (depth 11) 24.gxf5 Rxb3 25.Rf2 Qd4)
(23...Rxb3 Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-bit 2.64 (depth 12) 24.Nf6+ Kg7 25.Qf5 Bc5+ 26.Kh1 Qa8+ 27.Rf3 Qxf3+ 28.Qxf3 Bd4 29.Nh5+ Kg8 30.Qd5 Rb4)
That's more than a three point swing, actually worse than blundering a knight like whatupyodog did. I did not get worked over as you say, players far better than either of us have agreed that I lost to a simple blunder.