London isn't a drawish opening, wdym?
Do London players understand that they are playing boring chess?
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May 26, 2021
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#103
anhbao123 wrote:
London isn't a drawish opening, wdym?
If you are just going to be funny and not seroius I suggest that you get out of this forum.
May 26, 2021
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#104
anhbao123 wrote:
London isn't a drawish opening, wdym?
explain how it isnt then
May 26, 2021
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#105
soldatekoves wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Don’t get me started.
I get it that it is quick and easy to learn but it’s just not my cup of tea.
Are there players who play the London exclusively?
Yes, yes there are, indeed players who play the London exclusively. I am one of them. And to acknowledge the inquiry of "Do London players understand they are playing boring chess?" - No, no we don't. We aren't nor physically, nor mentally able to grasp, just what is so sterile about the London to other individuals. If we do, then we are not truly London players. It's just how it is. And there is no amending that.
I played the semi/Slav 20 years ago so I have indirect experience with the London System since it is the semi/Slav reversed. I cannot believe how popular the London System it is nowadays.
I am glad I played other openings because I would of missed out on what chess can offer further such as themes, concepts, tactics, gambits, versatility etc.. beyond the opening.
To me, the London System is one of the least ambitious opening out of all the d4 variations.
Are those stats just for 2200+ games? Or overall?
Nevermind, I just checked, it's 2200+. Those stats don't look good for white except for the Nc3 lines.
May 26, 2021
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#109
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
Are those stats just for 2200+ games? Or overall?
Nevermind, I just checked, it's 2200+. Those stats don't look good for white except for the Nc3 lines.
I was really surprised to learn the London System is popular at the IM and GM level!
Even though the conclusion is black has winning chances. Interesting stuff. I’ve been going thru a lot of master games recently as I am learning the Modern Defense and glad to learn it is a solid weapon against the London. It’s good news for KID players too.
Thank-you for the thread. It actually supplements my studying.
May 26, 2021
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#110
Against KID setups the normal London setup is not very good. White should play d4 Bf4 Nc3 e4 and transpose to the Pirc
Ilampozhil25 wrote:
i make it interesting for them
re #7. 7. Nxg5 fg Qh5+ ....Kd7 Qxg5 looks like a promising sacrifice of a piece for two pawns and complete disruption in black's camp.
punter99 wrote:
Against KID setups the normal London setup is not very good. White should play d4 Bf4 Nc3 e4 and transpose to the Pirc
I love to play the Classical and hope for a Mar del Plata, where I can reach a won ending two thirds of the time.
Chuck639 wrote:
soldatekoves wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Don’t get me started.
I get it that it is quick and easy to learn but it’s just not my cup of tea.
Are there players who play the London exclusively?
Yes, yes there are, indeed players who play the London exclusively. I am one of them. And to acknowledge the inquiry of "Do London players understand they are playing boring chess?" - No, no we don't. We aren't nor physically, nor mentally able to grasp, just what is so sterile about the London to other individuals. If we do, then we are not truly London players. It's just how it is. And there is no amending that.
I played the semi/Slav 20 years ago so I have indirect experience with the London System since it is the semi/Slav reversed. I cannot believe how popular the London System it is nowadays.
I am glad I played other openings because I would of missed out on what chess can offer further such as themes, concepts, tactics, gambits, versatility etc.. beyond the opening.
To me, the London System is one of the least ambitious opening out of all the d4 variations.
But in the Semi-Slav, black does not develop the c8 bishop outside the pawn chain. That would be impossible, for reasons I explained in #102. The bishop stays on c8.
DaBabysBurner wrote:
llama47 wrote:
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
llama47 wrote:
QGD also has several major branches. Bg5 vs Bf4 for white and Be7 vs Bb4 for black.
Among many others.
white can basically do the same things regardless of the variation
I disagree.
im not talking like 20 moves down the line but white's moves are all very similar in the QGD
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DaBabysBurner wrote:
...what?
That is my daily routine.
The London system is as overplayed as Game of Thrones names.
soldatekoves wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
...what?
That is my daily routine.
There was an game there. sry.
If there's been a surge of interest in chess due to Covid, it's only natural that extremely simple openings will make a comeback, to accommodate all the beginners. Therefore, people setting themselves up as chess teachers are going to plug it. The London is of no interest at all to people who've been playing a while. It's fine as black but silly as white. It was originally an opening for black, not for white.
What was it called as black? The semi-slav?
No, the London System. The idea of the London being an opening for white isn't correct. Basically, against reversed Indian systems, where white plays g3, Bg2, Nf3 and whatever else, the London setup with d5, Nf6, Bf5 and c6 should hold firm for black. Because it's bulletproof, there started to be interest in it, as a beginner's opening, for white. But it isn't a way that white can get much of an advantage, so it's usually just played if someone's done some home analysis and thinks they have a new line that might make black blunder. Or something.
Everything I find on something like the London for black always leads to the Slav or Semi-Slav. Could you give me some resources on it, sir/ma'am?
Not a semi slav. The bishop is blocked by the pawn chain and not developed in this opening. The slav however could be something that looks like a london with the black pieces if you develop the bishop to f5.
That's a bit problematic for black of course. If black plays dc then black can usually develop the bishop to f5. But if black doesn't play dc and black develops the B to f5, black is in some trouble after cd and Qb3. It isn't quite losing for black but one more mistake would do the job. So in the Slav, it would be unusual to get a position like the London and with a pawn still on d5.