Does 5...e6 revive the Benko?

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Ok so recently the Benko gambit lost some popularity due to 12 a4 followed by Nb5 as above. But recent game between Nakamura as white and Dubov in Moscow in 2018 had this 5...e6 idea which is intriguing and had been gaining popularity with GMs lately. I decided to use stockfish to analyze this line but we all know it's not that great for analyzing openings. What do yall think about this move? Do you think Benko will be popular at top level play again?

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I play the bekno. I don't play either of those lines tongue.png

But your approach is correct. Don't trust the engine in the Benko. Instead look at GM games to get ideas.

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for me, I dunno why, the board on the first post doesn't load at all and I just see the starting position. I see no moves whatsoever

 

This has been a frequent problem for me lately on this website and I want to know if others have it in this thread, or if it's just a me thing (probably)

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dpnorman wrote:

for me, I dunno why, the board on the first post doesn't load at all and I just see the starting position. I see no moves whatsoever

 

This has been a frequent problem for me lately on this website and I want to know if others have it in this thread, or if it's just a me thing (probably)

The board looks fine to me. Windows PC on Chrome.

But I've seen this complaint fairly regularly lately in different forums, so something is going on.

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dpnorman wrote:

for me, I dunno why, the board on the first post doesn't load at all and I just see the starting position. I see no moves whatsoever

 

This has been a frequent problem for me lately on this website and I want to know if others have it in this thread, or if it's just a me thing (probably)

Same. All of the pgn diagrams posted, I only see the starting positions. Fairly annoying as I'd had this issue for about one week now. @llama I use Windows PC on Chrome and have the problem still; apparently it is a chess.com bug the staff already know about and have been supposedly working on. Hope they get it fixed soon. 

As far as the Benko goes, the engine seems to underestimate Black's potential I think. However, I still hope to play as White and prove the Benko dubious with some "bust lines" - I haven't created the novelty yet, but who knows? Maybe someone else will - or even me in the future happy.png

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travischia έγραψε:

Ok so recently the Benko gambit lost some popularity due to 12 a4 followed by Nb5 as above. But recent game between Nakamura as white and Dubov in Moscow in 2018 had this 5...e6 idea which is intriguing and had been gaining popularity with GMs lately. I decided to use stockfish to analyze this line but we all know it's not that great for analyzing openings. What do yall think about this move? Do you think Benko will be popular at top level play again?

 

The idea is quite old, what is "new" (15 years old, and certainly not invented by Dubov or Naka) is 7...Bxa6.

Actually 7...Nxd5 8.Qxd5 Nc6 has been played many times in Correspondence chess, and Black has a very decent score- your Qd5 does not seem to dominate anything alone.

What I do not like in these lines is that they are not consistent with the Benko spirit: Black is playing for mass simplifications, and a draw.

I do not think that 5...e6 revives the Benko, as the Benko needs no real revival- one should rather look at the Perunovic and solve a couple of problems for Black, which are assosiated with the a6-a7 pawn push.

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That's amazing 

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This variation is interesting for White, avoiding e4-Bxf1 lines.

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The move that stopped me playing the Benko years ago was 5. e3.  Has a new response to this been developed in the past several years?

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pfren wrote:
travischia έγραψε:

Ok so recently the Benko gambit lost some popularity due to 12 a4 followed by Nb5 as above. But recent game between Nakamura as white and Dubov in Moscow in 2018 had this 5...e6 idea which is intriguing and had been gaining popularity with GMs lately. I decided to use stockfish to analyze this line but we all know it's not that great for analyzing openings. What do yall think about this move? Do you think Benko will be popular at top level play again?

 

The idea is quite old, what is "new" (15 years old, and certainly not invented by Dubov or Naka) is 7...Bxa6.

Actually 7...Nxd5 8.Qxd5 Nc6 has been played many times in Correspondence chess, and Black has a very decent score- your Qd5 does not seem to dominate anything alone.

What I do not like in these lines is that they are not consistent with the Benko spirit: Black is playing for mass simplifications, and a draw.

I do not think that 5...e6 revives the Benko, as the Benko needs no real revival- one should rather look at the Perunovic and solve a couple of problems for Black, which are assosiated with the a6-a7 pawn push.

Ok so my bad if I wasn't clear... 7...Bxa6 is not recommended by stockfish, I just chose to analyse this line to compare the king walk variations of 5...e6 and 5...g6. Stockfish marginally prefers 7...Nxa6 and 7... Be7. And 8 e4 is stockfish's favourite response to 7...Bxa6 although it is also marginal. Also, I do not understand the issues regarding the a6-a7 pawn push because I assumed black will take back the a6 pawn eventually?

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I love playing the benko, but no one ever takes the a6 pawn unfortunately sad.png It goes more like this:

 

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nah, I normally capture since Nc3 is not my taste.

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I play the d6 and g6 benko

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Deranged wrote:

I love playing the benko, but no one ever takes the a6 pawn unfortunately  It goes more like this:

 

Same

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travischia έγραψε:

Also, I do not understand the issues regarding the a6-a7 pawn push because I assumed black will take back the a6 pawn eventually?

 

The rook on a7 is exposed in a couple of key lines.

IM Tibor Karolyi examines the move in a survey he has authored for NIC Yearbook 135.

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theres some interesting analysis somewhere online in a line here after exd5  and nd5, black plays na6 instead of ba6