Does this opening have a name?

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Juank_123 wrote:

Hi

Hi!

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Bobmachine61 wrote:
pfren wrote:

After 4...Kxf7:

- Black has an extra bishop for a pawn.

- Black has developed a minor piece, and white none.

- White's queen is attacked and must lose time protecting herself.

- Black's king is hardly exposed, and there are no white pieces on the attack (the Queen can lose more time giving another useless check).

If you think that white has attacking chances, then you are watching too many westerns.

Hi pfren! I really appreciate some insight from an IM!!

I definitely didn't see it that way, but I did realize that the knight advancing and attacking the queen and threatening a fork to win a rook (or if white responds very poorly, a queen) is very troublesome.

While I see what you mean about white not having a large advantage anyways, I want to share a line that I think helps a little bit and is based on the common responses that I've seen.

 

With 6. Ne2, the idea of black pushing their knight and attacking the queen or threatening a fork is stopped. Even with Nb4 as a response, Qb3+ stops that.

While I sense that you are not a fan of the whole opening, if someone insisted on playing it, what do you think of this particular line? And what do you think is a way to make this opening viable (or do you think it's a lost cause)?

Well, you do know what an absolute beginner learns when he gets familiar with the chess opening fundamentals, don't you?

Do not move the same piece in the opening a second/third time without a strong reason.

Why should Black (even a newbie Black) move 6...Nd4? (actually it is not a bad move, but I would warn any of my startup students to avoid such stuff).

A much better idea is 6...Bg7 followed by ...Rf8 and ...Kg8 when Black has castled artificially, and is a clear bishop up.

Another fine idea (which I would probably play in a game) is 6...d5, which white wouldn't dare to take and open the center.

Like it or not, the 4.Bxf7+ idea is a losing one.

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Ohh ok I see, thank you all so much for your help!

As for the idea of 6. Nd4, I mostly included that to show that the idea of threatening the queen and a fork is negated by white moving its own knight the move before. Without doing that, I was often put into a somewhat difficult situation after 6. Nd4.

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"The sh*tty scholar's mate but I sacc'd a bishop"

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coming from a 400 elo lol, I bet I could beat u with that opening

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That's great, but I am just pointing out that there isn't much to do after they lock the position, and if you want to we could play, not saying I'll win.

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Otherwise, OP is my ELO, it's not like this was made by an intermediate. Friendly fire is allowed.

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bleh ur right it really is terrible. I played about with it a little on the analysis board and there is literally no trap or winning variation

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I err on the side of encouraging new openings and ideas but ye this is just giving material away for an advantage u cannot capitalize on lol

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For those interested.

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Iron_Captain wrote:

coming from a 400 elo lol, I bet I could beat u with that opening

I have won with this opening lol

While I'm sure it's not a good opening against more experienced players, I think it has the advantage of blindsiding newer players and drawing their king out when they don't know how to deal with constant checks?

I think your game that you posted is a good demonstration of someone not really knowing how to protect their king after it was drawn out (although as pfren pointed out, a more experienced player would artifically castle and would keep the extra material)

While certainly not perfect, it (occasionally) works for some reason 😅