e4 is bad (third obnoxious theory)

ajian

sicilian addicts play 1.c3 e5 2.c4

chyss

OMG Moon Moon, you can't just prove people wrong with a Gerard Butler film. No, wait, maybe you can... :)

PocketAces90
ajian schreef:

I really don't need to do any analysis for this. after 1.e4, 1...c5 is black's most popular reply. It also scores extremely well and is very effective to play for a win with. however, 1.c4 is not nearly as popular, and is not played much at top level anymore. after 1.c4, black has many replies that score decently well. it is relatively easy to play. however 1...c5 after 1.e4 gives white problems. thus, according to top players whos games are in databases, 1.e4 hurts white after the reply 1...c5. therefore, e4 is bad PLAY D4

This is ofcourse absolute nonsense. There have been many many games where black got smashed in the sicilian after 1. c5 

Black has many variations he can go into from this first move, Najdorf, Dragon, Sveshnikov variations ... there is no reason why 1.e4 should be bad, Magnus Carlsen plays it so it should be good enough for all of us :) 

BirdBrain

1. e4 stakes a claim in the center and opens lines for pieces, plus it helps White work towards kingside castling.  There is no reason to say that 1. e4 is bad. 

CrazyJae

Not that e4 is bad. Its just that some feel that 1. A4!! Is better.

StevensGambit

I watched 2 vids on Youtube 10 most popular responses to E4 and 10 most popular responses to D4 by St Louis Chess club channel. Now here is the thing. The 10 most popular responses to E4 made up a good 98%+ (can not remember the exact number) of what an E4 player will face. The top 10 responses to D4 were well, well below that at less than 55% of what D4 players need to prepare for.

Who with a job, a life and a bird they want to bang has time for D4?, D4  it is all well and good for GM's who want to play the odds but E4 is simply more fun and at the end of the day Chess follows fashion trends closer than first world 13 year old teens. E4 will be back. Magnus is already doing his bit on this and there are young guns all over the World who will carry it forward. Bobby knew what he was on about. E4 is for the Bulls of this World. 

Uhohspaghettio1
StevensGambit wrote:

I watched 2 vids on Youtube 10 most popular responses to E4 and 10 most popular responses to D4 by St Louis Chess club channel. Now here is the thing. The 10 most popular responses to E4 made up a good 98%+ (can not remember the exact number) of what an E4 player will face. The top 10 responses to D4 were well, well below that at less than 55% of what D4 players need to prepare for.

Who with a job, a life and a bird they want to bang has time for D4?, D4  it is all well and good for GM's who want to play the odds but E4 is simply more fun and at the end of the day Chess follows fashion trends closer than first world 13 year old teens. E4 will be back. Magnus is already doing his bit on this and there are young guns all over the World who will carry it forward. Bobby knew what he was on about. E4 is for the Bulls of this World. 

You bumped an almost 6 year old thread to parrot some nonsense a youtuber told you or you misremembered, seems to me like it's you who has too much time on their hands.   

 

StevensGambit
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
StevensGambit wrote:

I watched 2 vids on Youtube 10 most popular responses to E4 and 10 most popular responses to D4 by St Louis Chess club channel. Now here is the thing. The 10 most popular responses to E4 made up a good 98%+ (can not remember the exact number) of what an E4 player will face. The top 10 responses to D4 were well, well below that at less than 55% of what D4 players need to prepare for.

Who with a job, a life and a bird they want to bang has time for D4?, D4  it is all well and good for GM's who want to play the odds but E4 is simply more fun and at the end of the day Chess follows fashion trends closer than first world 13 year old teens. E4 will be back. Magnus is already doing his bit on this and there are young guns all over the World who will carry it forward. Bobby knew what he was on about. E4 is for the Bulls of this World. 

You bumped an almost 6 year old thread to parrot some absolute nonsense a youtuber told you, maybe it's you who has too much time on their hands.   

eh?, How is St Louis Chess club a meme Youtuber?, Did not look at the dates, just appeared as a thread in a google search. You popped up real quick though. Live long and prosper.

 

StevensGambit

Vids in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWozFMgz-nc  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd05J-4LyB8 do whatever with it.

Uhohspaghettio1

d4 is just as easy as e4 if not more so. It's a different world and worth learning to explore the game of chess. People get tired of e4 openings and use a mix. 

In the old days the world's elite tended to stick with one opening based on your kind of reasoning that it saves time. Now most of the elite players play both. Sometimes they just feel like d4 is what is required against a certain player, or they may get tired of one opening and use the other (just because they play professionally doesn't mean their brain doesn't get bored of opening one way). How can you tell which one you'd prefer if you have never played one?  

 

StevensGambit

Okay. I will convert to pure Colle/London tomorrow. Obviously I have tried most sane first moves as we all have and I would feel happy to bore the thruppenny bits off somebody with the London in future. I am not attacking D4. E4 is just sexy. (I am going with the tongue in cheek nature of this thread)

Srimurugan108

Superb analysis of the anaology

SNUDOO

I believe after 1.f4! black will act like a chicken without a head, therefore the white player can claim a win due to an opponent's unstable mental state.

DrSpudnik
SNUDOO wrote:

I believe after 1.f4! black will act like a chicken without a head, therefore the white player can claim a win due to an opponent's unstable mental state.

The object of the game is to mate the king, not to derange your opponent.

ThrillerFan
SNUDOO wrote:

I believe after 1.f4! black will act like a chicken without a head, therefore the white player can claim a win due to an opponent's unstable mental state.

 

BALONEY!  Black is equal at worst!  Only imbeciles will act like chickens without heads!

FizzyBand
ThrillerFan wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

I believe after 1.f4! black will act like a chicken without a head, therefore the white player can claim a win due to an opponent's unstable mental state.

 

BALONEY!  Black is equal at worst!  Only imbeciles will act like chickens without heads!

It’s a joke...