easiest defense to learn against queens gambit?

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king_nothing1

This is interesting pfran. Before joining chess.com I used to play against Chessmaster software and only and I always used to play 1.d4 2.c4 . Started playing against 1400 rated personality and within 8 monthas I was defeating 2200 rated personality there. That program never ever employed King's Indian against my Queen's Gambit.

So when I joined chess.com I used to get sick when somebody play KID. :)

I am still a novice in chess but I have read more often than not that KID is the best defense in QGD.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Queen and Nimzo Indians tend to be very good.  Moves are usually natural without having to play passive symmetrical crap, though there's room for transposition like anything else. Leningrad Dutch mainlines are easy to remember, but still has plenty of only moves and you need to be versed in anti-Dutches too, such as the Manhattan Gambit (if white offers an h3 pawn after sacking on g4 don't fall for it and play ...g3 usually)

I wouldn't recommend the Dutch until you're maybe 1500-1600 however. 

TheGreatOogieBoogie
king_nothing1 wrote:

This is interesting pfran. Before joining chess.com I used to play against Chessmaster software and only and I always used to play 1.d4 2.c4 . Started playing against 1400 rated personality and within 8 monthas I was defeating 2200 rated personality there. That program never ever employed King's Indian against my Queen's Gambit.

So when I joined chess.com I used to get sick when somebody play KID. :)

I am still a novice in chess but I have read more often than not that KID is the best defense in QGD.

The problem with Chessmaster (and any program with toned down settings) is the mistakes are unnatural and nonsense moves when not in book.  Especially at 5 minute time controls the weaknesses are especially egregious and the Bird personality should be rated much lower since it's a joke.  I wouldn't stand a chance against the real Bird since he was like 2600 for his time/maybe 2100 our time since he'd play against and sometimes even win against top players but had a losing record against the very best.

As bad as some of his openings were (such as the 1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nf6 3.Bb5,Nd4? Ruy Lopez and the 1.e4,c5 2.Nf3,e6 3.d4,cxd4 4.Nxd4,Nf6 5.Nc3,Bb4?! Sicilian both variations have been relegated to the dustbin of history) he'd make up for it with positional understanding. 

Anyway, Chessmaster personalities make very artificial mistakes that no human would. 

king_nothing1

May be you are right Scorpion. I don't play 5 min. games. I play 40 min. games and at my level is it plays strong positional game. 

closeenough

Why is everyone talking as if the Indian defences exist within the Queen's gambit? It really doesn't seem very likely to me that 1.d4 d5 2.c4 would transpose into any of these defences. Maybe it's possible to make it to the QID and Nimzo but as far as I understand, by definition the KID is a kingside fianchetto with ...d6 and any version with ...d5 that doesn't make it into QGD is a line of the Grunfeld.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Yeah I know queen's gambit is only 1.d4,d5 2.c4 but still understand what they mean.  It's funny (and frankly odd) whenever someone says, "I play the king's gambit against the French or Sicilian!" in both cases 2...d5 is the best reply. 

It's a chess engine, they aren't noted for their positional play.  Hiarcs and Shredder might be, I'm not familiar with Houdini though other than hearing that it's awesome. 

king_nothing1
closeenough wrote:

Why is everyone talking as if the Indian defences exist within the Queen's gambit? It really doesn't seem very likely to me that 1.d4 d5 2.c4 would transpose into any of these defences. Maybe it's possible to make it to the QID and Nimzo but as far as I understand, by definition the KID is a kingside fianchetto with ...d6 and any version with ...d5 that doesn't make it into QGD is a line of the Grunfeld.

lol yes.. my bad.

I had a long discussion today abt best defense against 1.d4 and it remaind in my mind.

Sealed

plutonia

I'd like to learn the QID (together with the NID) but I can't seem to find a good book on it. That's funny, there is a bazillion of books on the sicilian but almost nothing for the QID.

PAWadstensvik

i play this as black some times and i think it looks fair enough for both sides, i usually win or draw when i play this though, unless i blunder.

royalbishop

Hmmm.......

if their was an "Easiest Defense To Learn Against the Queen's Gambit" some GM would have written the book with that title by now.

royalbishop

     

 

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Swindlers_List

Play the QGA, you really only need to know like 3 lines

1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 and now:

(a) 3.e4 now play 3..e5, is easy and gives you some nice positions.

(b)3.Nf3 play mainline, 3..nf6 4.e3 e6 5.bxc4 c5 6.0-0 a6

(c) 3.e3 just play 3..Nf6 and transpose into a mainline, no need to learna n independent line here

(d) 3.Nc3, this isnt common or all too good, but its worth knowing. 3..a6! 4.a4 Nc6 5.e3 na5! this is very good for black and I won many games here.

royalbishop
AssauIt wrote:

Play the QGA, you really only need to know like 3 lines

1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 and now:

(a) 3.e4 now play 3..e5, is easy and gives you some nice positions.

(b)3.Nf3 play mainline, 3..nf6 4.e3 e6 5.bxc4 c5 6.0-0 a6

(c) 3.e3 just play 3..Nf6 and transpose into a mainline, no need to learna n independent line here

(d) 3.Nc3, this isnt common or all too good, but its worth knowing. 3..a6! 4.a4 Nc6 5.e3 na5! this is very good for black and I won many games here.

Your a Queen's Gambit beginers dream come true!

The the first 3 should get you crushed easy. They will have to work a little on the forth.

royalbishop

Assult i noticed your a "Under Water Basker Weaver" ??

Not trying to be funny but what is that

and what made you want to do that as it is unusual for a job?

plutonia
AssauIt wrote:

Play the QGA, you really only need to know like 3 lines

1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 and now:

(a) 3.e4 now play 3..e5, is easy and gives you some nice positions.

(b)3.Nf3 play mainline, 3..nf6 4.e3 e6 5.bxc4 c5 6.0-0 a6

(c) 3.e3 just play 3..Nf6 and transpose into a mainline, no need to learna n independent line here

(d) 3.Nc3, this isnt common or all too good, but its worth knowing. 3..a6! 4.a4 Nc6 5.e3 na5! this is very good for black and I won many games here.

 

I was actually looking into that one. It's a no-nonsense approach, and black ends up fighting against an IQP. Depending on your choice of openings against e4, maybe you already have to deal with that so you can get double benefits.

 

Can anybody suggest a book for the QGA?

Ron-Weasley
royalbishop wrote:

Assult i noticed your a "Under Water Basker Weaver" ??

Not trying to be funny but what is that

and what made you want to do that as it is unusual for a job?

That was one of the liberal education requirements at my university, underwater basket weaving.  lol It was a standing joke that that was how worthless and time and money wasting some of the liberal education requirements were.

 

Regarding the queens gambit I've taken a liking to the gruenfeld. I played a series of 5 minute games with it and seem to play it more naturally than the king's indian or benoni owing I think to the fact that I don't get cramped positions as easily. When my pieces have room to manuever the game becomes more the sort of tactical game I enjoy rather than an obtuse positional struggle for space. I guess its also one of the most theoretical and difficult openings, but it seems to play much more naturally to me than the other options, go figure. Cool