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pfren
Neslanovac wrote:

When this nonsense is going to stop ?! We all understood. Its all been said. FL is "vehemently disagreed with many of the standards of chess teaching, and many norms of traditional,conventional ways strike him as absurd"      Isn't that enough.

I am sorry, you don't have a website, so your opinion doesn't count.

kco
pfren wrote:
Neslanovac wrote:

When this nonsense is going to stop ?! We all understood. Its all been said. FL is "vehemently disagreed with many of the standards of chess teaching, and many norms of traditional,conventional ways strike him as absurd"      Isn't that enough.

I am sorry, you don't have a website, so your opinion doesn't count.

this is hard to tell weather you are trying to be funny or to be belittling someone.

pfren
kco wrote:

this is hard to tell weather you are trying to be funny or to be belittling someone.

I'm sorry for the confusion. I hope it will become more clear as soon as I'll start teaching the Colle.

Michael-G
kco wrote:

is best to learn all three, opening , middle and ending. would like to include thought process.

As I said , when you have closed eyes , you have no chance to see.So according to kco we must learn all together.Because it's what he does and he afraids to admit that for 2 or 3 years(or maybe more) he does it wrong.Because of that he is ready to doubt anyone and make his own "training method" or accept as correct a training method some "awarded coach" gave him because it is convenient and easy.

       We live in a free world(I think).We have the right to have our opinion.Discussion helps some of us realise their mistakes or gives us a different perspective.It's never a bad thing to listen to the "other side" even if your "eyes" are closed and you refuse to "see".I was away from chess for more than 25 years.When I made an account in this site I was hoping that I will find well chess-educated people to talk about chess.But Internet, engines and databases , instead of increasing the quality of amateurs actualy have decreased it.Amateurs are far worst today than they were 30 years ago and that is a very curious phenomenon that needs serious discussion indeed.Seems that all the technology in the world can't replace a good charismatic teacher and today, the few of them are lost in the ocean of "awarded Colle teachers".

     I apologise if I insulted anyone through this discussion , my intentions were to share my knowledge and nothing more.I don't have any personal problem with anyone  , that is why I didn't block anyone and I am not going to.For me it was a "conflict of opinions" or, if you prefer, a "conflict of schools" and not of persons.

 Neslanovac is right , enough is enough.The discussion is not productive anymore and personally I won't say anything else.

Y_Ddraig_Goch
pfren wrote:
But there is no point explaining you about chess as an art, for the very same reasons it's futile talking to the taxman about poetry.

Au contraire. As well as being the world's leading chess player and computer expert, Goldsby is also a renowned artist.

DanielUtz

I reckon the KIA as a very good opening to start with as there is like nothin that could really hold you back from getting into a KIA type of structure ...

DanielUtz

youd tell a beginner to start up with parhams attack?! :D

Saint-Paulia

@Y-Draig: "Bear in mind that even Goldsby doesn't claim it's the best opening for beginners - just that it's the easiest to learn, and that it helps a beginner to lose more slowly against better players."

Fair enough and I accept your "apology". We all can be grumpy on any given day. And we all can be overly enthusiastic upon occasions. I suppose when making broad statements I should constantly remind that it is only my opinion. And as the (crude) saying goes, 'opinions are like arseholes-everyone has one'! Cool Anyway, I still like the Colle this 'morning after'. Your mileage may or certainly will vary. In any event, I'd like to again point out that this thread was directed specifically at beginners, as was my post. Thus far I am not sure I have read any postings from other beginners. Obviously an International Master (such as see above) would have a quite different perspective. (It is difficult to place oneself back in time to when...isn't it?). Anyway, "good game" & a glass of wine with you all!

FLchessplayer
alexlaw wrote:
FLchessplayer wrote:

By the way, where are your websites? 

Oh, that's right!~ You don't have any ... ... ... 

??? that's the weirdest argument i've ever heard. I mean galvinator and whatupyodog at least give totally false arguments, but at least they're related. I fail to understand how having websites has got to do with anything.

lol time to read the odyssey, it's gonna pull my rating up. Time to study the greek gods and analyze the literary devices for my coursework lol. Now lets see....Athena, Posiedon, Aoelus...

*FIDE rating goes up by 500*

My point was - unlike this toxic nobody of an IM - I have gone to great lengths to help beginner's and lower-rated players learn the game. 

Are you too slow to grasp such an obvious point? (Apparently.) 

Jesuslivez

What is this opening? I've been using it and I'm not sure what it's called. Also, is it a good opening, or is an opening determined by both black and white's positions?

DanielUtz
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DanielUtz

okay ... ive done some research and its called bird-opening lasker variation (A03)



Helzeth
FLchessplayer wrote:
alexlaw wrote:
FLchessplayer wrote:

By the way, where are your websites? 

Oh, that's right!~ You don't have any ... ... ... 

??? that's the weirdest argument i've ever heard. I mean galvinator and whatupyodog at least give totally false arguments, but at least they're related. I fail to understand how having websites has got to do with anything.

lol time to read the odyssey, it's gonna pull my rating up. Time to study the greek gods and analyze the literary devices for my coursework lol. Now lets see....Athena, Posiedon, Aoelus...

*FIDE rating goes up by 500*

My point was - unlike this toxic nobody of an IM - I have gone to great lengths to help beginner's and lower-rated players learn the game. 

Are you too slow to grasp such an obvious point? (Apparently.) 

 

By the way, where are your websites? 

Oh, that's right!~ You don't have any ... ... ...

 

You used this argument in an discussion about chess.

You're very intelligent.

Jesuslivez

thanks for the help!

FLchessplayer

By the way, I have gotten many messages (here - I have quoted a few.) and many e-mails. All from near beginner players who thanked me for posting this thread and my article on the WCA website

I blocked the troll, <Michael G>, I am truly not interested in ANYTHING he has to say, nor am I interested in the rantings of the toxic IM. (As far as I can tell, he has not written any books, made any websites, nor made any effort to truly help a beginner learn the game. His only area of excellence seems to be in his ability to harshly criticize others and calling Kasparov ... who might be the greatest player who ever lived ... "an ignorant patzer.") 

But my original point remains vaild, the Colle is an easy system to learn and an excellent opening system to teach a beginner. 

As for all the criticisms, they are meaningless and simply do not affect me, nor do they really strike me as being sincere ... mostly there seems to be a lot of trolling on this thread now. (I don't think I shall bother with it anymore.) 

However, feel free to leave me a message or start a new thread. (Thanks.) 

OldHastonian

To be fair, you started the Thread and put forward the Colle as the "Easiest Opening to learn for beginners".

It was a thinly disguised way of (free) advertising your lessons on Chess.com.

Several Members disagreed with your views and expressed their own; this is what happens in a Forum!

In light of which, was it really necessary for you to be so caustic and nasty?

FLchessplayer
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FLchessplayer

And yes, M-G is nothing more than a troll ... and I am beginning to think the same of you. 

FLchessplayer

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

(See more here, or here.) 

FLchessplayer

Sorry - you definitely fit the definition, above. OR ... "if the shoe fits, wear it."