Englund Gambit..your thoughts?

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All gambits are unsound except Queen's Gambit. Englund is even less sound.

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You're saying it strips up any preparation from your opponent but any experienced d4 player knows that after 2 dxe5 ...Nc6 3 Nf3 ...Qe7 4 Nc3 ...Nxe5 5 e4 White can give his pawn back to get a lead in development and I really can't see why Black would want to play such a position

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It's great when it comes to blitz and bullet but rapid and longer time controls not so much.

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Very easy response to memorize to white, and white is up in development, black's queen is misplaced, etc. While not considered the, "main line," it is still very unpleasant for black to play. It usually leads to a position where white has more space, is up in development, and has the nice open d-file to place their rooks on. While not everyone may play this line, Nc3 is still probably played more than Bf5 (in Chess.com's grandmaster database), and as more people start to learn this line, the Englund Gambit will become more and more obsolete and people will be able to punish it more often. But there's not other reason for playing the Englund Gambit than just hoping that your opponent will fall into one of the common traps.

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TheDoomSlayer992 wrote:

If Qd5, then I would play f6 and boy lemme tell ya this variation is FUN.

If Nc3, then just Nxe5 of course.

After f6 I just play e4 and let you have your pawn back

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I fail to see what's wrong with 4.Bf4.

Actually, I like 4.Bg5 even better- if Black enters the 4...Qb4+ 5.Bd2 Qxb2 line then he is toast after 6.Nc3.

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Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe wrote:

 

that pretty much beats it ez

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IHaveTHEChessSkill wrote:
Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe wrote:

 

that pretty much beats it ez

Here's another one -- using a different move for white at move 5

 

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White can transpose to the Danish Gambit with 2. e4.

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Zinester54 wrote:

White can transpose to the Danish Gambit with 2. e4.

Can transpose into main line Scotch too

Avatar of DarwinBBeagle

It’s my favorite response to D4! 😊

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tshekou έγραψε:

It’s my favorite response to D4! 😊

It shows on your rating.

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lol...I would visit the forums just for pfren's comments.

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I can describe the Englund Gambit to you in just two words:

 

UTTER CRAP!

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I always play 4. Bf4 and when black plays Qb4+, I either play Bd2 or Nc3. Both are usually winning for white.

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Optimissed έγραψε:

I always play 4. Bf4 and when black plays Qb4+, I either play Bd2 or Nc3. Both are usually winning for white.

 

5.nc3 is not clear at all.

 

Why mess with something like that when 5.Bd2 is close to winning?

But you may play 4.Bg5! which is at least as good as 4.Bf4 is, and force Black to that line.

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IMBacon wrote:

lol...I would visit the forums just for pfren's comments.

 

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pfren wrote:
tshekou έγραψε:

It’s my favorite response to D4! 😊

It shows on your rating.

LOL

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melvinbluestone wrote:
DubstepJunkie wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:

    Why bother with 4.Bf4? Isn't white just a lot better after 4.Nc3 ? (1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Nc3 Nxe5 5.Nd5)

After 5...Nxf3+ 6.gxf3 Black's prospects look much better

4.Bf4 is much more direct refutation to 3...Qe7 since black is pretty much forced to play 4...Qb4+ and after Bd2 and Qxb2 white gets much more than the slight edge he has in the 4.Nc3 line.

    I think white is fine in that line. I just think that after 5...Nxf3 6.gxf3 black is much worse. The queen has to go back to d8 to protect c7 (if 6...Qc5 7.b4 Qc6 8.b5!). After 6...Qd8, 7.Bf4 or e4, white is doing great.

The move e4 at move 5 looks much clearer for white. If Nxf3, Qxf3 and white is simply better in almost every way.