Englund's Gambit or Budapest defense? - Chess Forums - Page 3

SuirenBoid

Mar 11, 2017

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#41

If you like forcing through e5, play 1... Nc6 or the Tango both are imho stronger openings than both your choices

yureesystem

Mar 11, 2017

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#42

richie_and_oprah wrote:

Optimissed wrote:

Loses for black?

Yes. The line with Qe7 followed by Bf4 from White and then Qb4+ loses for Black, by force.

In over the board games there is no one to consult with, there is no game data base, no opening and endgame books to refer to; you are on your own and only your chess knowledge and calculating ability will help you. Masters have lost to the so call lost game Englund Gambit, its a good surprise weapon for the talented tactician who needs to win a chess game.

yureesystem

Mar 11, 2017

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#43

4xel wrote:

tmkroll wrote:

I still don't think we should be advocating hope chess.

Chess is ~40% psychology, Judith's Poglar's words. Hope chess is the ability to play by ot only considering the best answer from your opponnent, but also the more likely. It's a great skill to developp in order to steer the game in a favorable way. In serious chess, if you're completely lost, you got to try something anyway, but generally, hope chess can be used to choose the subjectively best move among objectively equal ones (usually the trickiest, when it's needed.)

A few years ago I played an opponent who is rated 1600 uscf and he played 1... e5?! against me and I obtain a won game and went to an endgame, I was in serious time trouble and made a blunder and drawing the game. Nothing is guarantee. In my chess club a master lost to the Englund Gambit, if a master can lose to the so call losing Gambit, we all susceptible to losing to the Englund Gambit.

NM dpnorman

Mar 13, 2017

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#44

yureesystem wrote:

4xel wrote:

tmkroll wrote:

I still don't think we should be advocating hope chess.

Chess is ~40% psychology, Judith's Poglar's words. Hope chess is the ability to play by ot only considering the best answer from your opponnent, but also the more likely. It's a great skill to developp in order to steer the game in a favorable way. In serious chess, if you're completely lost, you got to try something anyway, but generally, hope chess can be used to choose the subjectively best move among objectively equal ones (usually the trickiest, when it's needed.)

A few years ago I played an opponent who is rated 1600 uscf and he played 1... e5?! against me and I obtain a won game and went to an endgame, I was in serious time trouble and made a blunder and drawing the game. Nothing is guarantee. In my chess club a master lost to the Englund Gambit, if a master can lose to the so call losing Gambit, we all susceptible to losing to the Englund Gambit.

Well then the master needs his title revoked lol

SilentKnighte5

Mar 13, 2017

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#45

The best practical decision against openings like these is to not spend a bunch of time memorizing lines so you can refute it 12 months later in the off chance you see it in a tournament. Best is to play the positional Qd5 line that steers the game into normal waters and just lets you play chess.

Now, if you have a club game against someone who plays the Englund, you can pretty much memorize a few lines and have a completely won game by move 15 if they continue down the trappy lines with ...Nb4 and such.

The Englund will have some practical value against a random opponent who has no opening prep. But it has negative value against a prepared opponent. The Budapest still gets you a game, even against preparation.

annxe2010

Jul 13, 2021

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#46

I kinda prefer budapest defense its just my opinion tho englund gambit has a really nasty trap

but budapest too . englund doesn't have checkmate traps but budapest does