Fred Defense?
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I like this opening for Black because Black can regain back the pawn. (White doesn't want to protect the pawn with the g-pawn)
This is like the Old Benoni for e4 right?
My Bob attack pwns ur Fred defense
3.Qh5+ There is not some trap im missing is there?! Surely not!
tbierig wrote: My Bob attack pwns ur Fred defense
The Neil and Bob attack??? 
Graw81 wrote: 3.Qh5+ There is not some trap im missing is there?! Surely not!
a agree with that!after that move u may be
1.cant castling
2.loss your castle
3.lose your development
Graw81 wrote: 3.Qh5+ There is not some trap im missing is there?! Surely not!
Good point. Well thats the end of the Fred Defence I suppose. :P
What about this way?
!!!???
Never play the Fred Defense. Period
KillaBeez wrote: Never play the Fred Defense. Period
Agreed!
...why play a unknowned defence?
choose:the king's indian,sicilian....just to name a couple.
I think it's a very risky "defence". What about this line: 1 e4 f5 2. exf5 Nf6. 3. d4 d6 4. Bd3. White f5 pawn is now rock solid, Black is a pawn down with worse development (just look at the f8 bishop). White's pieces come up very easily, White can castle, I would definitely prefer this position as White.
KillaBeez wrote: Never play the Fred Defense. Period
I agree!
Davidmingming wrote: What about this way?
In your 2...Nf6 diagram:
White can just maintain the pawn on f5 with Bd3 instead of Nf3, which is also an excellent developing move, and the f5 pawn cramps black's development a bit.
It's not easy at all for black to get this pawn back at all (Actually may not be possible.any move of the e or g pawn will cause an exchange which would leave white a pawn up. Also, black has worse king safety, and he doesn't even have better development.
The short answer is: just say NO (to the fred) :)
Yeah
fred defence is a king's gambit for black....
chessfanforlife wrote: fred defence is a king's gambit for black....
Not really. It's not even the same structure reversed, because black's e pawn hasn't moved. If there is such a thing as the king's gambit for black is called the Latvian Gambit (1.e4 e5 (same pawn structure - minimum for you to be able to call it the same opening - but not e nough) 2.Nf3 f5!?!? (some would say ?!))
tbierig wrote: My Bob attack pwns ur Fred defense
lol!
