French advance variation

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TuckerTommy
How do you guys rate the line with 3...b6 played in order to exchange the light square bishop for white's good light square bishop?
Clavius

My error typing the line TuckerTommy, I corrected my post.  Here is the link to the page I used on 365chess:  http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=4&n=12&ms=e4.e6.d4&ns=3.16.12

As for 1e4 e6  2.d4 d5  3.e5 b6 I have never played it but it has a reasonable theoretical basis and does decently well with respect to wins and draws.  It does leave white with more valid responses to prepare for than 3...c5.  If you're learning to fight the French Advance, I would still go with Nimzowitcsh and assault the base of that pawn chain with everything you've got.  

TuckerTommy
Clavius, you lost me...is there a Nimzowitcsh line in the french advanced?


What did you mean by this .....If you're learning to fight the French Advance, I would still go with Nimzowitcsh and assault the base of that pawn chain with everything you've got.
TuckerTommy
Thank you jengaias....I put the lines in stockfish engine except the lines show play without Qb6 until 7....Qb6...much larger percentages for Nc6 and Bd7 before bringing out Qb6!
Malis1959

Throw away the chess engine!

TuckerTommy
I also note that black either play 4c3 Qb6 or 4c3 Nc6 5....Qb6...
Clavius

Sorry, TuckerTommy, I didn't mean to confuse.  Aron Nimzowitsch (1886 - 1935) wrote the famous book on chess strategy titled My System and one of his famous recommendations was to attack pawn chains at their base.  In the French Advance that would be attacking d4.  That is the rationale behind ...c5, ...Nc6 and ...Qb6.  Players rated below 2000 need to focus on tactics rather than openings but John  Watson's book Play the French has an outstanding reputation.

TuckerTommy
Poof....I doubt I'll purchase any more French books as I have stuff I haven't even read yet. Clavius, I've seen the pawn chain breaks. One strategy recommends f6, except that line mostly results in black castling on the queenside opposite white's kingside castle...not sure I like this....too much fighting! So I must ( I concede) go with the Qb6, Nc6, c5 line. I have the Watson book, 2nd and 4th ed. The drawback I hate on the french is the option to go French exchange (I hate FE).
Clavius

I hate FE, too.  Big reason why I now play Caro-Kan after years with the French.

TuckerTommy
Guys, since I'm not at home on my desktop and tapping away from my ipad, look at a game I played just now against jprn1144 utilizing some of the techniques I picked up on this thread...it feels much more manageable than the queer line I used to initiate this thread...all comments welcome. I kinda think white had some chances to get out...he resigned!!
TuckerTommy
Clavius, I'm trying to learn all I can...what's a good place to start with the Caro-kan?
Clavius

 I use Fundamental Chess Openings by Paul van der Sterren and Volume 1 of Watson's Mastering the Chess Openings.  For OTB games and on-line games at time controls of seconds or minutes per move my weakness is tactics so I spend my study time on that.  At these time controls few opponents know my openings more than four or five moves deep so I don't memorize move sequences deeply either.  What I want from my opening books is general principles I can apply when my OTB games wander away from theory.  

For correspondence ("daily") games of 3 or more days per move using databases is allowed so I can look up opening theory for them.

Clavius

Excellent game vs jprn1144 especially at blitz speed.  This is how you win with the French defense: break White's center and march your central pawns and that is what you did.  A few comments:

TuckerTommy
Thanks Claviius for your analysis.
TuckerTommy
There are 2 names I've come across for FA variation: Nimzovich in which Qb6 is played by black on moves 4 or 5 and Euwe variation in which black plays Nc6 before Qb6...any more?
TuckerTommy
Clavius, I have FCO by PVdS.. unfortunately both hard copy and app versions...great tools.
Clavius

I'm not aware of any significant reason to prefer 4.Nc6 or 4.Qb6 in the FA though the former is much more common and is what I played routinely.

Malis1959

There are plenty of good video's on the French.

Malis1959

 I recommend that anyone who wishes to learn to play the 3. e5 system for White should make a detailed study of the games of Kupreichik and Zaitsev! The endeavors of these two players were supplemented by those of Sveshnikov, Malaniuk, Romanishin , Sax and others. (Sveshnikov)

TuckerTommy
There is a variation where black plays 4....Qb6 but 5...Nc6 doesn't follow. Rather, black plays 5.Bd7 and waits to exchange on Bb5 for white's light square bishop. This leads to an isolated pawn on the b file. This seems to be a line recommended in a FAD book, but not recommended for amateurs.