Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
3...c5 12 66.7% 33.3%I played this TRASH 12 times?
Must have been bullet. If I'd played this in any other time control I would have hid away in shame by now.
Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
3...c5 12 66.7% 33.3%I played this TRASH 12 times?
Must have been bullet. If I'd played this in any other time control I would have hid away in shame by now.
Parimarjan Negri book dismisses 3..c5? due to the line 4.exd5 exd5 5.dxc5 d4 6.Bb5+ Nc6 7.Qe2+ Be6 8.Ne4 is already close to winning.
yes, as posted above. I guess GM Negi agrees with logozar!
Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
3...c5 12 66.7% 33.3%I played this TRASH 12 times?
Must have been bullet. If I'd played this in any other time control I would have hid away in shame by now.
I also checked from black. You played it yourself 6 times.
3...c5 | 6 |
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What about forks? Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+?
Then Bd2 holds everything.
And after Qxc5? This is not winning for white unlike Qb5+ (read above posts) after Bxc5.
Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
3...c5 12 66.7% 33.3%I played this TRASH 12 times?
Must have been bullet. If I'd played this in any other time control I would have hid away in shame by now.
I also checked from black. You played it yourself 6 times.
3...c5 6 50% 16.7% 33.3%Oh, I played AGAINST it 12 times? That makes more sense. If I played it 6 times, those were most likely bullet games.
I played a slow OTB game with it yesterday as white 90 min 30 second bonus last night (it was a tournement finals, rated)
I did not know about the Qe2 idea when I played it. I will post it here (not annotated), I plan to post all games from that tournement soon in a blog with annotations.
What about forks? Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+?
Then Bd2 holds everything.
And after Qxc5? This is not winning for white unlike Qb5+ (read above posts) after Bxc5.
Need specific lines to be able to comment properly, move numbers help. In the line I posted above with Negi comment on 3..c5? then Qxc5 ??!! is impossible move (the Bb5 is still on the board)
What about forks? Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+?
Then Bd2 holds everything.
And after Qxc5? This is not winning for white unlike Qb5+ (read above posts) after Bxc5.
Need specific lines to be able to comment properly, move numbers help. In the line I posted above with Negi comment on 3..c5? then Qxc5 ??!! is impossible move (the Bb5 is still on the board)
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 c5 4. exd5 exd5 5. dxc5 d4 6. Bb5+ Nc6 7. Ne4 Bxc5 8. Nxc5 Qa5+
is what I meant. I could have been refering to Qe2 lines but I think this is what I meant.
What about forks? Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+?
Then Bd2 holds everything.
And after Qxc5? This is not winning for white unlike Qb5+ (read above posts) after Bxc5.
Need specific lines to be able to comment properly, move numbers help. In the line I posted above with Negi comment on 3..c5? then Qxc5 ??!! is impossible move (the Bb5 is still on the board)
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 c5 4. exd5 exd5 5. dxc5 d4 6. Bb5+ Nc6 7. Ne4 Bxc5 8. Nxc5 Qa5+
is what I meant. I could have been refering to Qe2 lines but I think this is what I meant.
Well that line 7.Ne4? will lose to 7..Qa5+
What about forks? Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+?
Then Bd2 holds everything.
And after Qxc5? This is not winning for white unlike Qb5+ (read above posts) after Bxc5.
Need specific lines to be able to comment properly, move numbers help. In the line I posted above with Negi comment on 3..c5? then Qxc5 ??!! is impossible move (the Bb5 is still on the board)
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 c5 4. exd5 exd5 5. dxc5 d4 6. Bb5+ Nc6 7. Ne4 Bxc5 8. Nxc5 Qa5+
is what I meant. I could have been refering to Qe2 lines but I think this is what I meant.
Well that line 7.Ne4? will lose to 7..Qa5+
Oops, yeah what robert said, I should not try to do analysis blindfold. I was probably talking about Qe2 lines, sorry, and the fork ideas were Qb5 if he takes on c5
Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
3...c5 12 66.7% 33.3%I played this TRASH 12 times?
Must have been bullet. If I'd played this in any other time control I would have hid away in shame by now.
I also checked from black. You played it yourself 6 times.
3...c5 6 50% 16.7% 33.3%Oh, I played AGAINST it 12 times? That makes more sense. If I played it 6 times, those were most likely bullet games.
Yeah, I checked. All 1 0 games or 3 0 games.
Parimarjan Negri book dismisses 3..c5? due to the line 4.exd5 exd5 5.dxc5 d4 6.Bb5+ Nc6 7.Qe2+ Be6 8.Ne4 is already close to winning.
Thank you very much! Very helpful. I will take his word, It was the conclusion I came to after my post-game analysis, the computer agrees, and a strong GM agrees. Google told me his rating:
Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
3...c5 12 66.7% 33.3%I played this TRASH 12 times?
Must have been bullet. If I'd played this in any other time control I would have hid away in shame by now.
I also checked from black. You played it yourself 6 times.
3...c5 6 50% 16.7% 33.3%Oh, I played AGAINST it 12 times? That makes more sense. If I played it 6 times, those were most likely bullet games.
Yeah, I checked. All 1 0 games or 3 0 games.
3 0 games I must have been white. Or it was 12 midnight.
I played a slow OTB game with it yesterday as white 90 min 30 second bonus last night (it was a tournement finals, rated)
I did not know about the Qe2 idea when I played it. I will post it here (not annotated), I plan to post all games from that tournement soon in a blog with annotations.
Looks pretty good to me.
I do like the Qe2 lines better, however.
For black playing the French defense, it is best he or she play standard lines; you have better chance for equality.
This is course was Marshall's "Gold Coin" game:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1094915
3...c5 is bad. Of course, Marshall is responsible for many openings, some better than others.