French Vs Sicilian

@chamo2074 - After 13. ..Bd6!, I think black still has everything to play for.  Where does the white queen go, except maybe back to e3?  Once e5 is played, the d-pawn is isolated and no longer a danger of creating that pesky revealed pin by taking on e6.  I don't see any reason to settle for a draw just yet.

@Batman2508 - You finally deviated in the French game!  And our Sicilian game is now officially an Anti-Sicilian!

Now is where things get interesting...

french = greek gift time

In the sequence above, black plays 3. ..d4! and completely frees his position.  Downright foolish to castle kingside with the knight already driven off f6.

That isn't true, if the pawn was on h6 instead, the bh7 sacrifice would not work

Too often, unfortunately.  The French Defense is one of those openings whose reputation suffers from folks who play it incorrectly.  Castling, like any other move, should be done with good reason, and should not be a game objective in and of itself.

Well actually I was looking at youtube about the 2 knights french and they showed this greek gift trap for the french defense, and when I went to play it in chess, the first opponent I got played the french and did the exact moves to fall for the trap, lol. That was a couple days ago, I haven't seen a french defense in a long time. 

Wow, recently on my lichess account (which has a lower rating) I've been playing someone people playing the caro-cann and they all have the same big brain idea:

nice, you just wasted a full move by moving the c pawn twice when you could have done this:

That's what the lower players think. If that's true then there is no point of playing the caro-kann, just play the french since you get an extra move right? Wrong.  In the french, your light squared bishop is kinda stuck, but in the caro-kann, your bishop isn't stuck. You will eventually move your c pawn twice but in exchange your light squared bishop is active.

That's how it should be. It loses a move but more active bishop.

In this position black gets an extra move but their light squared bishop will have a difficult time getting out.

this is just stupid

which one was considered exellent?

What do you mean "His second last move"? I'm not getting what you're saying. Which example?

Oh, c5 and bf5 are the main moves. Both of them don't block the light squared bishop.

this is the c5 example

After the French conquer the Sicilian (hopefully) then we can go and beat e5 as well. 

Idk but you guys seem to be ignoring the fact that team french crushed team caro-kann... and that we are winning in this as board 1 games were 2-1 for us and mr winawer won too I think

Who else hates those low rated players moaning the french is bad?

@freerobuxman I agree with you btw it's just stupid to both waste a move and lock the bishop, this is a mix of the cons of the french and the caro

I meant french vs caro kann correspondence

french vs caro-kann blitz pretty sure SNU won 2

Yeah, the French Vs Caro-Kann correspondence match was not close.  Team French won 10-4, despite Team Caro-Kann having a master on Board 1.

The speculation on a "French Vs e5" match to follow, assuming Team French takes care of business here (which is still an open question), makes me wonder.  There's all sorts of different ways 1. e4 e5 can turn out, it's a more sharply branching opening tree than the French, the Sicilian, or the Caro-Kann.

The e5 games could be Spanish (Ruy Lopez), Italian (Guoco Piano), Russian (Petroff), Scotch, Vienna, King's Gambit, Center Game, Philidor, Three Knights, Four Knights, Latvian Gambit, and a host of less popular ones.  It would be the chess equivalent of the Battle of Leipzig (French vs. everybody).

With these first two challenges, we're really testing specific openings against each other one-for-one.  Yes, we're playing a range of variations in both, but there's a common theme to each opening.  With 1. e4 e5, I don't think that can hold true.  In some ways, it's more fun because there's much more mystery as to who will play what, but from an instructive standpoint, I don't know that it will be as valuable.

Well aware of the history.  Pointing out it's a handicap for Team French, as Team e5 would know what to prepare for in their games as white, while Team French is basically flying blind.

Though hopefully there would be no turncoat Saxons.

I stupidly lost my games I need redemption my sir Napoleon