Fried Fox Defense is good or bad?

MIchess10

So, I was looking up some joke openings, and I saw one thread about the Fried Fox Defense.

It looks bad, but after 3.Bc4+ e6, black is not much worse. White does have 4.d5, which puts more pressure on the king, but it doesn't seem like white has very much to attack with. The idea here is the same as all offbeat chess openings: get an advantage due to your opponent not knowing the game. Does anyone have an idea as to why this opening leaves black good or bad?

Jaxatax

In my opinion, playing an "offbeat" chess opening is a gamble. If your opponent hasn't seen it before (or many times at least), you might have a decent chance of winning if they don't know the line to play (especially in a fast time control game where they don't have much time to think about how to punish your strange move.) On the other hand, if they happen to know the correct line you're pretty much doomed. I wouldn't ever play this opening just because I don't want to take that risk.

m_connors

I've never heard of it . . . I guess that's why? wink.png

tacticbot1

Fried fox defense is a good way to lose rating

MIchess10
MISTER_McCHESS wrote:

stockfish gives white +2.72 on MOVE FREAKING NUMBER TWO. NEVER PLAY IT

I mean, do you have a line, or something? If you could tell me why, without referring to an engine, that'd be nice of you.

m_connors
MIchess10 wrote:
MISTER_McCHESS wrote:

stockfish gives white +2.72 on MOVE FREAKING NUMBER TWO. NEVER PLAY IT

I mean, do you have a line, or something? If you could tell me why, without referring to an engine, that'd be nice of you.

The first two moves contravene most general opening principles and theory. Black's fist move immediately weakens its position. f6 concedes the centre to White (no control of the centre) and opens the f7 square and King to attack along the h5-e8 diagonal. (The f2 and f7 are the most vulnerable squares.) The second move, Kf7 is simply suicide, opening the King up to greater danger.

After two moves Black has failed to make any meaningful development, has given up the right to castle by moving its King, and exposed its King. Instead of "fighting" for the centre with any meaningful development and protecting the King, basic general principles, Black has done the exact opposite.

I'm sure the name "Fried Fox" refers to the Kings imminent "frying."  wink.png

MIchess10

On the other hand, black has probably already studied this, meanwhile white may have not, throwing the game immediately into tactics for white, while black can just remember his preparation, which can give an advantage.

m_connors
MIchess10 wrote:

On the other hand, black has probably already studied this, meanwhile white may have not, throwing the game immediately into tactics for white, while black can just remember his preparation, which can give an advantage.

Well, possibly for beginners; however, I think anyone with a decent grasp of tactics and opening theory could demolish this position.

And memorization is never a substitute for sound thinking. As soon as the opponent makes an "unmemorized" move, Black in the same position, trying to think on his feet; however, he is doing so from an inferior position. (And, if in thinking this was a sound opening, for any reason, I have to believe White's tactical thinking will overshadow Black's.) happy.png