Gambits...which to take and which to decline

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DasBurner

Your Budapest "countergambit" just loses because 3. exd4 and after 4. qxd4 black plays nc6 and white's pawns are awful and black has a lead in development

MyNameIsNotBuddy
adityasaxena4 wrote:

e.g.

This is what that would look like against the KG!

I cannot think of a single person that would play 3. d4!?

MyNameIsNotBuddy
adityasaxena4 wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

My general rule don't accept the gambit but offer up a countergambit of your own when you can otherwise just decline  

an exception would be against the Danish

 

Why 4... c2!? When the queen is put on a semi active square? 4... cxb2 is way better

adityasaxena4
This is the compensation after Nxb5 line in the 2.b5!!! Anti-Vienna Gambit !
DaBabysBurner wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

This is a new gambit I'm trying out

I don't see the compensation. Just bxb5 and how does black continue?

 

adityasaxena4
BlackKaweah wrote:
Always decline the Urusov Gambit. Always accept the King’s Gambit. Of course, if you don’t like chess, decline the KG.

Offer up a countergambit to the KG!

adityasaxena4
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

My general rule don't accept the gambit but offer up a countergambit of your own when you can otherwise just decline  

an exception would be against the Danish

 

Why 4... c2!? When the queen is put on a semi active square? 4... cxb2 is way better

4.c2!!! wins a tempo on the queen and forces white to react to black shifting the initiative away from white as does 5.d5!!!

adityasaxena4
DaBabysBurner wrote:

Your Budapest "countergambit" just loses because 3. exd4 and after 4. qxd4 black plays nc6 and white's pawns are awful and black has a lead in development

after 3.exd4 then e5!!! Ng8 then Qxd4!!!

DasBurner
adityasaxena4 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

Your Budapest "countergambit" just loses because 3. exd4 and after 4. qxd4 black plays nc6 and white's pawns are awful and black has a lead in development

after 3.exd4 then e5!!! Ng8 then Qxd4!!!

qe7 instead of ng8

MyNameIsNotBuddy
adityasaxena4 wrote:
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

My general rule don't accept the gambit but offer up a countergambit of your own when you can otherwise just decline  

an exception would be against the Danish

 

Why 4... c2!? When the queen is put on a semi active square? 4... cxb2 is way better

4.c2!!! wins a tempo on the queen and forces white to react to black shifting the initiative away from white as does 5.d5!!!

Why in the world would you play 5. d5? You can claim a material advantage by fully accepting the gambit and playing carefully for a bit, the material advantage will play out. 

adityasaxena4
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

My general rule don't accept the gambit but offer up a countergambit of your own when you can otherwise just decline  

an exception would be against the Danish

 

Why 4... c2!? When the queen is put on a semi active square? 4... cxb2 is way better

4.c2!!! wins a tempo on the queen and forces white to react to black shifting the initiative away from white as does 5.d5!!!

Why in the world would you play 5. d5? You can claim a material advantage by fully accepting the gambit and playing carefully for a bit, the material advantage will play out. 

It is better to regain the initiative by giving the accepted material back and taking your opponent into the unknown rather than accepting and falling prey to the gambiting side's overwhelming initiative and just cowering like you're about to get smacked in the face and even better to do that with tempo which is what 4.c2!!! and 5.d5!!! accomplishes now white won't have a strong attack anymore and definetely not in an even position with a somewhat lack of development !

MyNameIsNotBuddy
adityasaxena4 wrote:
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

My general rule don't accept the gambit but offer up a countergambit of your own when you can otherwise just decline  

an exception would be against the Danish

 

Why 4... c2!? When the queen is put on a semi active square? 4... cxb2 is way better

4.c2!!! wins a tempo on the queen and forces white to react to black shifting the initiative away from white as does 5.d5!!!

Why in the world would you play 5. d5? You can claim a material advantage by fully accepting the gambit and playing carefully for a bit, the material advantage will play out. 

It is better to regain the initiative by giving the accepted material back and taking your opponent into the unknown rather than accepting and falling prey to the gambiting side's overwhelming initiative and just cowering like you're about to get smacked in the face and even better to do that with tempo which is what 4.c2!!! and 5.d5!!! accomplishes now white won't have a strong attack anymore and definetely not in an even position with a somewhat lack of development !

In this particular case I disagree. In my experience retaining the material is not bad, it succeeds pretty much every time, with the exception of maybe one or two times.

PineappleBird

I take all gambits... If I lose, I study them and refute them next time...

For example Eric Rosen recommends not to take the Danish... I love accepting the danish, and I've even come up with some of my own prep against it... It's one of my deepest studies ever... (not that useful, I know... but it was fun to do it)... So I can surprise most Danish players with engine moves that I memorized... 

DasBurner
HeroinSheep wrote:

I take all gambits... If I lose, I study them and refute them next time...

For example Eric Rosen recommends not to take the Danish... I love accepting the danish, and I've even come up with some of my own prep against it... It's one of my deepest studies ever... (not that useful, I know... but it was fun to do it)... So I can surprise most Danish players with engine moves that I memorized... 

I did all sorts of prep against the Danish gambit, King's gambit, Evan's gambit etc when I was an e4 player, then threw all that out the window and started playing 1. d4 lol

PineappleBird

Oh Blackburne Shilling I don't take, that's the only one just because it's so fun to play against if you just don't accept it and get a really good position with litterally no thought required... 

adityasaxena4
DaBabysBurner wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

Your Budapest "countergambit" just loses because 3. exd4 and after 4. qxd4 black plays nc6 and white's pawns are awful and black has a lead in development

after 3.exd4 then e5!!! Ng8 then Qxd4!!!

qe7 instead of ng8

Qe7 Qe2 Ng8 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Bc5 Bf4 and white has far superior development for the loss of the d-pawn not to mention black is out of theory and has no idea what to play

PineappleBird
DaBabysBurner wrote:
HeroinSheep wrote:

I take all gambits... If I lose, I study them and refute them next time...

For example Eric Rosen recommends not to take the Danish... I love accepting the danish, and I've even come up with some of my own prep against it... It's one of my deepest studies ever... (not that useful, I know... but it was fun to do it)... So I can surprise most Danish players with engine moves that I memorized... 

I did all sorts of prep against the Danish gambit, King's gambit, Evan's gambit etc when I was an e4 player, then threw all that out the window and started playing 1. d4 lol

haha cool... but wait with black you still may face those, right?... d4 meaning you also play d5 at all times? scandi? tongue.png 

DasBurner
adityasaxena4 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

Your Budapest "countergambit" just loses because 3. exd4 and after 4. qxd4 black plays nc6 and white's pawns are awful and black has a lead in development

after 3.exd4 then e5!!! Ng8 then Qxd4!!!

qe7 instead of ng8

Qe7 Qe2 Ng8 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Bc5 Bf4 and white has far superior development for the loss of the d-pawn not to mention black is out of theory and has no idea what to play

you wouldn't play ng8 after 5. qe2, black would punish you for ignoring the D pawn and play 5. d3 with tempo on the queen, 6. qxd3 qxe5+ and now white really is down a pawn with no compensation

Nice try though

DasBurner

black could even play 6. d6 instead of qxe5+ because of the pin and just retake the pawn with the pawn too

adityasaxena4
DaBabysBurner wrote:

black could even play 6. d6 instead of qxe5+ because of the pin and just retake the pawn with the pawn too

d6 leads to Bg5 pinning the knight

DasBurner
adityasaxena4 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

black could even play 6. d6 instead of qxe5+ because of the pin and just retake the pawn with the pawn too

d6 leads to Bg5 pinning the knight

nbd7 and dxe5 is coming. What's your solution now?