Getting bored of 1.e4, too straightforward and plain.

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iainlim
People used to recommend that I play 1.e4 at my level because it results in an open game with lots of room for tactics, but personally I find that most of the times I play 1.e4 it results in near-identical games where the center pawns are traded off and both sides bring their rooks and stuff into the middle. I feel like it's getting too straightforward and nearly no positional strategy needed (which I'm working on).

So I think I'm going to slowly make the transition to d4. Recently I've been playing around with the London (sorry) I like it's fast and easy development and closed position. I'm also planning to try and study the Queen's Gambit which IMO is probably the best opening because Black either trades his central pawn for your c pawn or let's your c pawn exert extra control of the center.

What do you think? Am I missing something with E4? Perhaps at my rating range players exchange center pawns too quickly to open up the game? Because seriously, I I barely have to think/strategize hard when the center of the board is completely blown apart. It doesn't feel like chess.
Ofgeniuskind_closed
Just play 1:C4 or the sicilian Najdorf, In all honesty lately I'm just playing whatever I feel like playing because it is plain fun. I always have used 1:D4 because of well, no reason but i'm gettingg into the Ruy Lopez now.
m_n0

Generalizing all positions from a certain first move tends to not be a great idea.

kindaspongey

Perhaps these books could provide ideas to help one liven up one's 1 e4 games:

My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White (2016)
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
The Ruy Lopez: Move by Move (2011)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf
The Four Knights: Move by Move (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627040728/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/ebcafe06.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf

London material that is possibly of interest:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627074459/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen85.pdf
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Win_with_the_London_System.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9035.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7619.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627100246/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen139.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093403/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/tips.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7656.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-perfect-opening-for-the-lazy-student
and there is also the Cyrus Lakdawala book, First Steps: The Colle and London System.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
A set of London System DVDs by GM Damien Lemos.
A GM Simon Williams DVD on the same subject.

danielknight528

e4 is fun you just gotta know a few lines grin.png

nurversagerhere
IainLim wrote:
People used to recommend that I play 1.e4 at my level because it results in an open game with lots of room for tactics, but personally I find that most of the times I play 1.e4 it results in near-identical games where the center pawns are traded off and both sides bring their rooks and stuff into the middle. I feel like it's getting too straightforward and nearly no positional strategy needed (which I'm working on).

So I think I'm going to slowly make the transition to d4. Recently I've been playing around with the London (sorry) I like it's fast and easy development and closed position. I'm also planning to try and study the Queen's Gambit which IMO is probably the best opening because Black either trades his central pawn for your c pawn or let's your c pawn exert extra control of the center.

What do you think? Am I missing something with E4? Perhaps at my rating range players exchange center pawns too quickly to open up the game? Because seriously, I I barely have to think/strategize hard when the center of the board is completely blown apart. It doesn't feel like chess.

I made a suggestion for a d4 sideline in the chess openings forum. It looks like a catalan but I'm postponing c4 in favor of Re1 and e4. Radjabov played this opening a lot. It's not a critical line but it is easy to understand and can be a good starting point for learning how to conduct a kingside attack or how to play on a queenside.

You can find the thread here: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/opening-that-not-lose-much-as-white

Lipnitzky

Bruh e4 is the best for your levels.look at all those kids playing london systems when their rating is 1200.they cant improve a lot.stay with e4 till you have master it then you can switch

ko12ko12ko12

I play e4 exclusively, and off the top of my head the only response that leads to a quick exchange of pawns is the scandinavian. 

 

Meybe post a game or 2 so we know what you're talkimg about, but generally, its usually up to white to exchange or not in the center.

WilliamShookspear
nurversagerhere wrote:
IainLim wrote:
People used to recommend that I play 1.e4 at my level because it results in an open game with lots of room for tactics, but personally I find that most of the times I play 1.e4 it results in near-identical games where the center pawns are traded off and both sides bring their rooks and stuff into the middle. I feel like it's getting too straightforward and nearly no positional strategy needed (which I'm working on).

So I think I'm going to slowly make the transition to d4. Recently I've been playing around with the London (sorry) I like it's fast and easy development and closed position. I'm also planning to try and study the Queen's Gambit which IMO is probably the best opening because Black either trades his central pawn for your c pawn or let's your c pawn exert extra control of the center.

What do you think? Am I missing something with E4? Perhaps at my rating range players exchange center pawns too quickly to open up the game? Because seriously, I I barely have to think/strategize hard when the center of the board is completely blown apart. It doesn't feel like chess.

I made a suggestion for a d4 sideline in the chess openings forum. It looks like a catalan but I'm postponing c4 in favor of Re1 and e4. Radjabov played this opening a lot. It's not a critical line but it is easy to understand and can be a good starting point for learning how to conduct a kingside attack or how to play on a queenside.

You can find the thread here: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/opening-that-not-lose-much-as-white

Look like the KID, except you don't get to support e4 as well as you do in the KID...

iainlim

Well the Scotch is the one that annoys me the most, my friends always play it OTB. I can't really post any games here because it's casual games with my friends, I'm still rather fine online though my online opponents are often okay with sacrificing a pawn to release the centre tension prematurely. @ko12ko12ko12

kindaspongey
"... I find that most of the times I play 1.e4 it results in near-identical games where the center pawns are traded off and both sides bring their rooks and stuff into the middle. I feel like it's getting too straightforward and nearly no positional strategy needed ..." - lainLim
IainLim wrote:

... the Scotch is the one that annoys me the most, my friends always play it OTB. ...

Help is available for White in the Scotch

(Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 and Minor Lines by John Shaw
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Playing1e4CaroKannandothers-excerpt.pdf ),

but it might be worthwhile to experiment with alternatives to 3 d4 after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6. See post #4 for some ideas.

iainlim

@kindaspongey Sorry, I meant that my friends were playing Scotch as White. I don't play Scotch.

 

But when I'm White I'm tending to avoid e4 because Black often weakens its own position slightly in order to release the central tension. I'm okay with that but it just leads to uninteresting games for me and I lose focus because it's not enjoyable. 

kindaspongey
IainLim wrote:

... Sorry, I meant that my friends were playing Scotch as White. ... when I'm White I'm tending to avoid e4 because Black often weakens its own position slightly in order to release the central tension. ...

I am not sure about the specifics of what you are describing, but it might be that help (for White) could be found in a book like My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White (2016).
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf

Of course, the London is an example of another alternative.

Here are some possibilities for help for Black in the Scotch:
Starting Out: Open Games by GM Glenn Flear (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626232452/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen134.pdf
Bologan's Black Weapons in the Open Games (2014)
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Bologans-Black-Weapons-in-the-Open-Games-76p3873.htm
The Kaufman Repertoire for Black & White by Larry Kaufman (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626221508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen162.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/955.pdf
Opening Repertoire: The Open Games with Black by Martin Lokander (2015)

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7546.pdf
Playing 1.e4 e5 - A Classical Repertoire by Nikolaos Ntirlis (2016)

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7572.pdf
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Playing1e4e5-excerpt.pdf

dfgh123

what you gonna do when you get bored of d4

dfgh123
csayant2014 wrote:
dfgh123 wrote:

what you gonna do when you get bored of d4

i am getting bored with everything ....

 

e4(ruy lopez, spanish , petrof ) c4 (english opening ) b5 (nimzo-lersen attack )   as a black -> 1.d4 nf6 (modern benoni or indian game ) or 1.e4 nc6 nimzowitsch  no d4 as white in my opening pedia what to do ?  thinking for reti stuff . 

 

lainlim sounds like he gets great positions out of the opening but doesn't know how to attack or complicate things in the middle game

i doubt changing openings will help him because the opening ends when you start with 1.d4 as well

x-9359487958

Try the KIA, I may have gained a reputation for talking about this opening in opening forums happy.png. But, it serves useful to people who are done with theory and playing moves that they don’t understand. Of course, like any other opening, it has downsides, and problems that you have to solve. I don’t recommend finding the perfect line for a side, if there was, then Carlsen and Giri would be beggars. Jokes aside, play relatively sound openings (the grob is not sound), and try them in blitz online. Try one which suits your style the best. No one here can pick an opening for you, it is for you to decide.

 

Best wishes!grin.png

x-9359487958

You have to be kidding me...

FrogCDE

Play the Ruy Lopez. At your rating level, most players will reply with the Steinitz, which really isn't very good. You should get a nice space advantage.

 

A pair of central pawns has been exchanged but White has a superior position in the centre and easier development. You should be able to win a lot of games from a position like this, and if you can't the problem is not in the choice of opening.

galdave

I think you should play better opponents to give you more problems, e4 are more tactical than other openings.

 

Many traps and tricks! But if you are playing same opponent with same openings again and again that tends to be boring and you should try other openings.

LethalRook_1892
The Sicilian is super sharp and super fun, try it! If you're white I recommend d4 for positional, c4 for flexibility, and Nf3 for quick development.