Getting smoked playing E5

RetiOrNot92

Any tips/tricks for playing E5 vs E4? My win percent has dropped to almost 40% playing E5. I'm not looking to learn a new defense quite yet because I'm focusing on really learning the italian game right now. Just trying to find some ways to firm up. Maybe some book recommendations. 

50kg
RetiOrNot92 wrote:

Maybe some book recommendations. 

Learn general opening principles. It's enought for <1500 player.

Better to invest that time in learning chess in general and improve your thinking process. I mean, that stronger player can play unknown system fo him and get much-much better results because better thinking system and better general understanding. Your problems not in opening at the moment.

For example. This game: https://www.chess.com/live/game/4246531732?username=retiornot92
At first of all, you've played 3.Nf6. It's 2 knights defence not exactly italian. I would not suggest you to play this system unless you know theory well in this line. Better to play italian with 3. Bc5. Just a safer option.

Secondly, you lost this game not becouse of opening, but because you blundered a piece, because you wasn't able to see responces of your opponent, and nf6+ in particular.

RetiOrNot92
Yeah I fell for the fork. Ok I see what you’re saying. Also I meant I’m focusing on the Italian from white’s perspective. Nothing crazy. Just focusing on learning the middle game principles and usual tactics, but I’ve noticed E5 has become my weakest point.
SwimmerBill

OK here are 2 suggestions. 1. Get Rheinfeld's "complete book of chess openings". It will be about 2$ and will give you an overview of the e4 e5 openings and describe some ideas on how to continue after the first few moves. (Of course something modern could be better but more expensive.) 2. Get "200 open games" and start playing through them- when you lose a game in an opening, play through the games that feature that opening. [and of course analyze your loss]

BusyNight

you are gonna get smoked in the beginning but that is exactly why playing 1.e4 e5 is considered so important to play. you get exposed to so much tactics in open positions. When it start to turn and you start getting good in those positions you are a much better chessplayer

KeSetoKaiba
BusyNight wrote:

you are gonna get smoked in the beginning but that is exactly why playing 1.e4 e5 is considered so important to play. you get exposed to so much tactics in open positions. When it start to turn and you start getting good in those positions you are a much better chessplayer

+1 

By the way, what was your prior response to 1.e4 if not e5 then @RetiOrNot92 ? French Defense, Sicilian, some other lesser known miscellaneous line? I used to play the French Defense, but I now use e5 to counter 1.e4 because I like the resulting middlegames that arise. It is good to have alternative openings to fall back on though. As the expression goes, "you don't want to be a one trick pony." Even if you play one opening out of a repertoire choice, it is still good to have some insight into other openings. Not only is it a good way to throw off your opponents from trying to prepare against you, but you also learn how to handle various positions and that skill alone may prove useful if you ever find yourself in a thematically similar spot. happy.png

RetiOrNot92
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
BusyNight wrote:

you are gonna get smoked in the beginning but that is exactly why playing 1.e4 e5 is considered so important to play. you get exposed to so much tactics in open positions. When it start to turn and you start getting good in those positions you are a much better chessplayer

+1 

By the way, what was your prior response to 1.e4 if not e5 then @RetiOrNot92 ? French Defense, Sicilian, some other lesser known miscellaneous line? I used to play the French Defense, but I now use e5 to counter 1.e4 because I like the resulting middlegames that arise. It is good to have alternative openings to fall back on though. As the expression goes, "you don't want to be a one trick pony." Even if you play one opening out of a repertoire choice, it is still good to have some insight into other openings. Not only is it a good way to throw off your opponents from trying to prepare against you, but you also learn how to handle various positions and that skill alone may prove useful if you ever find yourself in a thematically similar spot.

 

That's all I have for now. E5. Just started playing a couple of months ago. So still working on learning the italian game before I start trying to learn a black opening. 

ghost_of_pushwood

Nope, no "tricks."  And as to that winning percentage...well, that all depends on who you're playing.

ghost_of_pushwood

When I started playing 1... e5, everybody thought it was lame (and played the Sicilian).  Now they all seem to think the Sicilian is lame.  I tried the Sicilian way back when but quickly grew tired of quickly getting walloped.  Nowadays, whenever I get tired of getting walloped with 1... e5, I switch to the Modern for a coupla games.

Ziryab
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

When I started playing 1... e5, everybody thought it was lame (and played the Sicilian).  Now they all seem to think the Sicilian is lame.  I tried the Sicilian way back when but quickly grew tired of quickly getting walloped.  Nowadays, whenever I get tired of getting walloped with 1... e5, I switch to the Modern for a coupla games.

 

That's why God invented the French.

Of course, their wine is superb too.

ghost_of_pushwood

Unfortunately, they have to go pick it up in one of these!

Image result for stupid french car

ghost_of_pushwood

(And I played the French for exactly one tournament.)

RetiOrNot92

I tried the French, and really didn't work out well. But I could get a book and really devote some time to figuring it out i guess. But not right now. 

OldPatzerMike
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Unfortunately, they have to go pick it up in one of these!

 

Ahhh, the venerable 2CV. The first time I saw one parked on a Paris street, I wondered if I could take it home in the overhead compartment of the airplane. I still think it might have been possible.

BISHOP_e3

ghost_of_pushwood

Only play the French if you really don't care in the slightest if your king gets attacked.

Ziryab
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Only play the French if you really don't care in the slightest if your king gets attacked.

 

For instance, the French player should castle into the Alekhine-Chatard attack, and then carry the guillotine to White’s queenside. 

pfren
 

 

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GMproposedsolutions

You guys really ought to stop smoking.

Numquam
pfren schreef:

 

Verdict: getting smoked has nothing to do with the opening, but rather not knowing some very important opening principles, and missing simple tactics.

After 11...gxh4 white has nothing better than a perpetual in that 6.Bg5 - 11.Qh5 line. There is no way to let a rook quickly participate in the attack. 5...0-0 isn't any worse than 5...d6, unless you don't want to allow a forced draw.