Giuoco Piano
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The two names (Giuoco Piano, and Italian game) are interchangeable, but that doesn't mean that the Giuoco Piano (which means "quiet game" in Italian, and was NOT named after any person) has to live up to it's name. The truth is, this name is frequently a misnomer. Think of it as just a name, since that's all it is.
this is one of my favorite lines to play
No and I did not say that. Look at any MCO Giuoco Pianno and Evans Gambit and Two Knights are three separate openings. Giouco Pianno and Italian game are interchangeable. Evans Gambit is no longer the Giuoco and neither is the two knights defense not that any of this actually matters. Just stupid semantics.
Evans Gambit is defined by b4
i mainly make use of openings that i can pronounce just in case someone asks "what is your favourite opening ?"
wagrro wrote: i mainly make use of openings that i can pronounce just in case someone asks "what is your favourite opening ?"
Fair enough. But, what's so hard about Giuocco Piano? (Jock-oh piano)
My understanding is that Evans Gambit is not a version of the italian game or giuoco pianno(same thing). Evans Gambit is Evans Gambit. Althought I thinks some opening books put Evans Gambit under the Italian Game but if you look at any MCO book you will find three separate openings. Guioco Pianno Evans Gambit and Two Knights Defense. Enough for me. Define the stuff however you want. I do not think it really matters.
lanceuppercut_239 wrote: wagrro wrote: i mainly make use of openings that i can pronounce just in case someone asks "what is your favourite opening ?"
Fair enough. But, what's so hard about Giuocco Piano? (Jock-oh piano)
fasten your seatbelts, jock-oh piano here i come - thanx l-ko
i feel so empowered now that i can pronounce it, previously people always thought i was discussing a breakfast cereal or lennon's erstwhile wife
Jul 4, 2008
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Anyone know how to pronounce Giuoco Piano? I've often wondered - but then I wonder about some dull things :-)
chrish wrote: Anyone know how to pronounce Giuoco Piano? I've often wondered - but then I wonder about some dull things :-)
go read posts 24, 25, 27 and 28, then you will have to self-decide are you a jock-oh or a nerd-oh. ps be kind to nerds, we will probably all end up working for one at some stage
This probably my most famous post, 30 posts in like 3 days!
Jul 7, 2008
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wagrro wrote: chrish wrote: Anyone know how to pronounce Giuoco Piano? I've often wondered - but then I wonder about some dull things :-)
go read posts 24, 25, 27 and 28, then you will have to self-decide are you a jock-oh or a nerd-oh. ps be kind to nerds, we will probably all end up working for one at some stage
Thank you wagrro - not only am I a nerd but I don't read the posts properly before I send in mine ...
(32 now Hydrocannon)
i will never have to play a game of this in my life. As white I shoot for ruy lopez or a Larson attack and as black I play sicilian. I
chrish wrote: wagrro wrote: chrish wrote: Anyone know how to pronounce Giuoco Piano? I've often wondered - but then I wonder about some dull things :-)
go read posts 24, 25, 27 and 28, then you will have to self-decide are you a jock-oh or a nerd-oh. ps be kind to nerds, we will probably all end up working for one at some stage
Thank you wagrro - not only am I a nerd but I don't read the posts properly before I send in mine ...
(32 now Hydrocannon)
33 total, and this one will make it 34
FHansen wrote:
I hate the Giuoco Piano! It is so boring, almost symetrical and without any possible powerful attacks for either side.
mvh Fredrik
Boring ???? Really? id say not. there are endless gambit opportunities besides the evans gambit that involve c3 and d4
The Giuocco piano takes alot of preparation to play correctly with white and alot of logic to survive with black. It's one of my favorite white openings. Learn the Giuocco people!!!
Is there a way to bypass the two knights defense in this opening. I would play it everytime if there was
pvmike, the above variant you presented is italian opening but NOT Guioco Piano.
Tha Guioco Pian(issim)o is
1.e4 e5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.Bc4 Bc5, 4.Nc3 Nf6, 5.d3 d6.
It is characterized by its symmetry, and the obvious intention to delay decisive actions.
It is by no means harmless.
(In Germany, some clubplayers - those who like to joke, or have no clue... - call it 'Women's opening', since some shy little girls often start their games with these moves).
Some chess teachers start their lessons about openings with that one. i think it is wrong! This opening is a closed one, and the strategy is complicated.
A typical trap is already hidden in
sorry, powercut, could not finish my last thread: A typical of the black positional trap is already in the next move:
6.h3 0-0 ?! (Better 6....h6 or Be6, or a6), 7. Bg5! (threat 8.Nd5 and 9.N:f6, with destructionof the black kingside) 7.... Be6 (only reasonable move), 8.Nd5 B:d5, 9.B:d5, and white has the better game due to his bishop pair and the pin on f6.
mandelshtam wrote:
pvmike, the above variant you presented is italian opening but NOT Guioco Piano.
Tha Guioco Pian(issim)o is
1.e4 e5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.Bc4 Bc5, 4.Nc3 Nf6, 5.d3 d6.
It is characterized by its symmetry, and the obvious intention to delay decisive actions.
It is by no means harmless.
(In Germany, some clubplayers - those who like to joke, or have no clue... - call it 'Women's opening', since some shy little girls often start their games with these moves).
Some chess teachers start their lessons about openings with that one. i think it is wrong! This opening is a closed one, and the strategy is complicated.
A typical trap is already hidden in
Actually, you seem to be thinking that Giuoco Piano is a shortened version of the name Giuoco Pianissimo, but that's not true. Giuoco Piano, also known as the Italian Opening, is the opening 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5. Giuoco Pianissimo is the quietest line of the Giuoco Piano, which you give above. At least, that's what the names are in English. Maybe in Germany, the naming is different.
It is true that many beginners end up in the quiet line, because they don't know how to make the game more interesting, either by playing a gambit such as 4. b4 (Evan's Gambit) or 4. d4 (Italian Gambit), or by using 4. c3 to support the pawn push 5. d4. So they play the Pianissimo line, which is how the Giuoco gets its reputation for being quiet and boring.
When coaches recommend the Giuoco, though, it's because they want their students to open up the position with the d4 pawn break and learn from the resulting open games. I agree that it's a good opening for beginners.
--Fromper