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anyways also thx for giving tips

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Cookies124 wrote:  ... for white i usually see them do e4, e5, qh5, g6, qxe5, be7, qxh8

 

Ah yes, another favorite.

G. H. Diggle memorably referred to White playing, “Queen takes rook, followed by queen takes knight, and queen takes anything else she can get her hands on.” (Quote approximate.) It seems to me that we see a lot of fried liver around here, but not so much of the Diggle line.

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pfren wrote:
Cookies124 έγραψε:
MikaelOlsen2323 wrote:

 

thats what my team captain told me to do in chess against fried liver attack

 

I do not know the name of this line.

Let's call this "the Hope Chess variation".

After the simple 4.Nxd4 exd4 5.0-0, the game has transposed to a Ruy Lopez Bird variation, but with white being a whole tempo up.

So, the verdict on this line should be "rubbish".

It's actually called the Blackburne Shilling Gambit, because Blackburne supposedly used it to win shillings from noobs at a cafe.

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Fromper wrote:
pfren wrote:
Cookies124 έγραψε:
MikaelOlsen2323 wrote:

 

thats what my team captain told me to do in chess against fried liver attack

 

I do not know the name of this line.

Let's call this "the Hope Chess variation".

After the simple 4.Nxd4 exd4 5.0-0, the game has transposed to a Ruy Lopez Bird variation, but with white being a whole tempo up.

So, the verdict on this line should be "rubbish".

It's actually called the Blackburne Shilling Gambit, because Blackburne supposedly used it to win shillings from noobs at a cafe.

The last time I remember seeing @Fromper post it was back in... 2010 or thereabouts.

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1And7Then8 wrote:

… There is no reason to answer 1.e4 with 1.e5 unless you want to play the petroff and say white isn't allowed to win.  The exception is if you know your opponent plays the berlin and you also want to say white cannot win. ...

Is that supposed to be advice for Black or advice for White? Or did you switch from Black-advice to White-advice from one sentence to the next? By the way, has Elite_Spartan been here since 2012?

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lol

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1And7Then8 wrote:

… If you know white plays the berlin, ...

I thought that the usual point of view is that the Berlin is chosen by Black by playing 3...Nf6 after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5.

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1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:

… If you know white plays the berlin, ...

I thought that the usual point of view is that the Berlin is chosen by Black by playing 3...Nf6 after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5.

If white has been known to play into that,  then ...

I probably should not make a fuss about this, but your choice of language seems so strange to me that I wonder if some sort of misunderstanding is in progress. After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5, I think the usual description is to say that White played the Ruy Lopez (or the Spanish) instead of saying that White played the Berlin (or played into the Berlin).

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1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:

… If you know white plays the berlin, ...

I thought that the usual point of view is that the Berlin is chosen by Black by playing 3...Nf6 after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5.

If white has been known to play into that,  then ...

I probably should not make a fuss about this, but your choice of language seems so strange to me that I wonder if some sort of misunderstanding is in progress. After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5, I think the usual description is to say that White played the Ruy Lopez (or the Spanish) instead of saying that [White] played the Berlin (or played into the Berlin).

... unless you already know white plays the spanish and and that they play one of two main lines in the berlin. ... black has no business playing the berlin against a spanish player who has ...  

Thank you for the language revisions.

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1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote (emphasis added):
1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:

… If you know white plays the berlin, ...

I thought that the usual point of view is that the Berlin is chosen by Black by playing 3...Nf6 after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5.

If white has been known to play into that,  then ...

I probably should not make a fuss about this, but your choice of language seems so strange to me that I wonder if some sort of misunderstanding is in progress. After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5, I think the usual description is to say that White played the Ruy Lopez (or the Spanish) instead of saying that [White] played the Berlin (or played into the Berlin).

... unless you already know white plays the spanish and and that they play one of two main lines in the berlin. ... black has no business playing the berlin against a spanish player who has ...  

Thank you for the language revisions.

I have made no language revisions.  

 

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1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote (emphasis added):
1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
1And7Then8 wrote:

… If you know white plays the berlin, ...

I thought that the usual point of view is that the Berlin is chosen by Black by playing 3...Nf6 after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5.

If white has been known to play into that,  then ...

I probably should not make a fuss about this, but your choice of language seems so strange to me that I wonder if some sort of misunderstanding is in progress. After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5, I think the usual description is to say that White played the Ruy Lopez (or the Spanish) instead of saying that [White] played the Berlin (or played into the Berlin).

... unless you already know white plays the spanish and and that they play one of two main lines in the berlin. ... black has no business playing the berlin against a spanish player who has ...  

Thank you for the language revisions.

I have made no language revisions.  

 

I made no language revisions,  which would have called editing or changing my original post or message,  which you called "strange language".  Everything I said originally is exactly the same and ...

Perhaps you and I have different concepts of what counts as revision. I believe that it is customary, for example, to say that IM Silman revised How to Reassess Your Chess even though previous editions remained as they were when published. Similarly, it seems to me to be a language revision, for example, to go from referring to White playing the Berlin to a reference to White playing "the spanish" and "one of two main lines in the berlin". 

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lol

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1And7Then8 wrote:

… Revisions are already defined, ... if you still are unsure ...

I believe that there is not universal agreement on correct language usage. For the moment, in this matter, I am not aware of any uncertainty that needs further clarification.

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lol

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I like the elephants Gambit

 

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