Hard-to-avoid trap in the Italian?

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pvmike wrote:
Azukikuru wrote:
i_r_n00b wrote:
play this if you are having trouble against fried liver

According to my engine, 4... Bc5?? is a blunder that loses 3 points after 5. Nxf7 Bxf2 6. Kf1!. Even after your 6. Kxf2? Nxe4, white is still up two points.


This one of the rare case where you engine is wrong,(maybe) there's alot of debate about the soundness of this line. The position is so ridiculous engines can't give accurate analysis.


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ is equal according to theory.

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Conquistador wrote:
pvmike wrote:
Azukikuru wrote:
i_r_n00b wrote:
play this if you are having trouble against fried liver

According to my engine, 4... Bc5?? is a blunder that loses 3 points after 5. Nxf7 Bxf2 6. Kf1!. Even after your 6. Kxf2? Nxe4, white is still up two points.


This one of the rare case where you engine is wrong,(maybe) there's alot of debate about the soundness of this line. The position is so ridiculous engines can't give accurate analysis.


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ is equal according to theory.


Hmm... maybe someone with a better engine should run it overnight or something. I only have Shredder for iPhone, and I stopped the analysis after depth 14.

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Azukikuru wrote:
Conquistador wrote:
pvmike wrote:
Azukikuru wrote:

According to my engine, 4... Bc5?? is a blunder that loses 3 points after 5. Nxf7 Bxf2 6. Kf1!. Even after your 6. Kxf2? Nxe4, white is still up two points.


This one of the rare case where you engine is wrong,(maybe) there's alot of debate about the soundness of this line. The position is so ridiculous engines can't give accurate analysis.


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ is equal according to theory.


Hmm... maybe someone with a better engine should run it overnight or something. I only have Shredder for iPhone, and I stopped the analysis after depth 14.


 Traxler is very complex, and there is no definitive verdict. If you're interested in it, I recommend a nice article:

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss23.pdf

and some additional links:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1283315839

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesz4a6/current/id12.html

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Playing the Traxler can be horrible if they play 5.Bxf7. White is better there.

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As always, the one who knows the lines/variations better, will be more comfortable with it. Cool