I believe that is the venerable "fried liver" attack, and yes you do need help:
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Apr 25, 2014
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#3
When white plays Bc4,this opening is called the Italian game. Your Nf6 move is perfectly fine. After he plays ng5 (fried liver attack) you should simply block the bishop with pawn d5. Then after he takes with his pawn, take the pawn with your knight (Nxd5) and he may bring his queen out to f3 to treaten mate along with your knight, but then you can just take his knight on g5 with your queen and have a solid game from there.
To avoid the fried liver attack all together, you can play the solid philador defense with pawn d6 after whites Nf3. Leading to a solid d5 blunt of the bishops a2-g8 diagonal after pawn c6 instead of developing your queenside knight to that square.
Apr 25, 2014
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#4
fireflashghost wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
When white plays Bc4,this opening is called the Italian game. Your Nf6 move is perfectly fine. After he plays ng5 (fried liver attack) you should simply block the bishop with pawn d5. Then after he takes with his pawn, take the pawn with your knight (Nxd5) and he may bring his queen out to f3 to treaten mate along with your knight, but then you can just take his knight on g5 with your queen and have a solid game from there.
The Fried Liver Attack is when White plays Nxf7 after Black's Nxd5. People have suggested that defending against the Fried Liver is playable, but it looks like it needs very accurate play from Black. Plus, the Lolli is objectively better, although many players can't resist the Fried Liver's appeal.....
Yea especially in bullet, lolli is deadly for sure.
Apr 25, 2014
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#5
souravtheslayer wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
When white plays Bc4,this opening is called the Italian game. Your Nf6 move is perfectly fine. After he plays ng5 (fried liver attack) you should simply block the bishop with pawn d5. Then after he takes with his pawn, take the pawn with your knight (Nxd5) and he may bring his queen out to f3 to treaten mate along with your knight, but then you can just take his knight on g5 with your queen and have a solid game from there.
To avoid the fried liver attack all together, you can play the solid philador defense with pawn d6 after whites Nf3. Leading to a solid d5 blunt of the bishops a2-g8 diagonal after pawn c6 instead of developing your queenside knight to that square.
That is some pretty terrible advice...
Please explain.
Apr 25, 2014
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#6
fireflashghost wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
souravtheslayer wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
When white plays Bc4,this opening is called the Italian game. Your Nf6 move is perfectly fine. After he plays ng5 (fried liver attack) you should simply block the bishop with pawn d5. Then after he takes with his pawn, take the pawn with your knight (Nxd5) and he may bring his queen out to f3 to treaten mate along with your knight, but then you can just take his knight on g5 with your queen and have a solid game from there.
To avoid the fried liver attack all together, you can play the solid philador defense with pawn d6 after whites Nf3. Leading to a solid d5 blunt of the bishops a2-g8 diagonal after pawn c6 instead of developing your queenside knight to that square.
That is some pretty terrible advice...
Please explain.
He means that there is no way your opponent will just leave a knight hanging instead of sacrificing it on f7 before moving the queen to f3, especially if the opponent played Ng5 in the first place, because he will probably intend either the Fried Liver or the Lolli after Black's Nxd5.
I would've told him to opt for the traler counterattack, but he seems like a novice.
Apr 25, 2014
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#7
fireflashghost wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
fireflashghost wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
souravtheslayer wrote:
PaullHutchh wrote:
When white plays Bc4,this opening is called the Italian game. Your Nf6 move is perfectly fine. After he plays ng5 (fried liver attack) you should simply block the bishop with pawn d5. Then after he takes with his pawn, take the pawn with your knight (Nxd5) and he may bring his queen out to f3 to treaten mate along with your knight, but then you can just take his knight on g5 with your queen and have a solid game from there.
To avoid the fried liver attack all together, you can play the solid philador defense with pawn d6 after whites Nf3. Leading to a solid d5 blunt of the bishops a2-g8 diagonal after pawn c6 instead of developing your queenside knight to that square.
That is some pretty terrible advice...
Please explain.
He means that there is no way your opponent will just leave a knight hanging instead of sacrificing it on f7 before moving the queen to f3, especially if the opponent played Ng5 in the first place, because he will probably intend either the Fried Liver or the Lolli after Black's Nxd5.
I would've told him to opt for the traler counterattack, but he seems like a novice.
Honestly, I don't recommend either Nxd5 or the Traxler. Analysis is going against the Traxler right now, and there's already good reasons against Nxd5. The main line of Na5 works better. Hopefully other players can provide some input here......
Oh now I see why na5 would be more solid in the long run. Black gains control of the center and white is forced to retreat.
Apr 25, 2014
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#8
Here's the way I play (And play against) the Italian.
As white:
Now note that this only scratches the surface of Evans Gambit theory, and it's only all the Evans lines that I can remember off the top of my head.
As Black:
For more theory on the Evans and on 4.d4 in the Two Knights, I would have a look at T.D. Harding's "Evans Gambit and a System Versus Two Knights' Defense." It's a short but very concise and informative book.
d5 works like a charm.
By the way, the 5...Na5 move is very important. Check this out!!
Apr 26, 2014
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#13
I just noticed that Black is winning at the end position in the original post. However, 4.Ng5 Qe7? 5.Bxf7+! Kd8 6.Bb3 is a simple path to a decisive advantage for White.
Metalratel. Why can't white take the rook in your last position and get the material edge?
Apr 26, 2014
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#15
JoBlake wrote:
Metalratel. Why can't white take the room in your last position and get the material edge?
19.Qxa8 Qxg2! is the key zwischenzug.
ok, i missed the queen attacks the white rook. this why i need to solve tactical puzzles before i do anything chess related... :)
Alter Bc4 play something like d6. If he PlayStation Ng5 Just play Qxg5. if he dosnt play h6. I hope i helped.
Thank you to all! This was very helpful for me.
Hey, I'm not very good at chess. I see this opening a lot and for some reason I can't see how to counter it. Can somebody help please? I'm playing black.
Please help, because this opening is the bane of my existence on chess.com!