How to counteract the Trompowsky Attack?

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I looked up the book openings section of Chess.com and found the Trompowsky Attack. How do I counteract it if I'm playing Black?

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Quality Chess just made a book about 2. Bg5 (against 1.. Nf6, 1.. d5 and 1.. f5), but it's for the white side.

I guess the mainline is Ne4, but e6 works just as fine.

Maybe more information on what you play. e6 might be bad if you are a KID player.

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I hold the belief that 2...Ne5 refutes the Trompovsky completely and the white compensation for the pair of bishop is not enough, but GMs do not share my opinion. Anways, here is a standard line :



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Tromp used to be my favourite opening.

I believe 2..d5 gives black easy equality.

2..Ne4 is the mainline, but it's complicated and will lead to irrational positions a tromp player will be familiar with.

2..e6 is also good, but 3.e4 is quite testing, or even e3, when they go into torre lines where you have commited e6, which those systems are best against.

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On the advice of an article from Silman Chess that is no longer available I played 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. e4 h6 4. Bxf6 Qxf6 5. Nc3 Bb4 6. Qd2 d5 which resembles the French.

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Irontiger wrote:

I hold the belief that 2...Ne5 refutes the Trompovsky completely and the white compensation for the pair of bishop is not enough, but GMs do not share my opinion. Anways, here is a standard line :

 



Just wondering, isn't 4. f3 after 3... g5 strong for White?

Cheers,

Arun

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Arun_1986 wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

I hold the belief that 2...Ne5 refutes the Trompovsky completely and the white compensation for the pair of bishop is not enough, but GMs do not share my opinion. Anways, here is a standard line :

 



Just wondering, isn't 4. f3 after 3... g5 strong for White?

Cheers,

Arun

Then 4...gxh4 5.fxe4 Bg7 and ...e4 comes. Again, this might be playable or even better for White, but I wouldn't be White here.

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Irontiger wrote:

I hold the belief that 2...Ne5 refutes the Trompovsky completely and the white compensation for the pair of bishop is not enough, but GMs do not share my opinion. Anways, here is a standard line :

Most Tromp players will respond 3.Bf4, not 3.Bh4.  The idea is that after f3 and e4, should Black take on e4 he ends up in a Blackmar Diemer where White has an extra move Bf4.  3...g5 is ridiculous against 2.Bf4 unless you intended some type of Basman defense to begin with.

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@melvinbluestone 5.Bxc7? is a crappy move. 5.Bc1 wins a pawn outright as Black's N must unprotect g5.

Avatar of ponz111

I like  1. d4  Nf6  2. Bg5  c5   I have had good results with this and it seems to be a surprise to some players of that opening.


  

Avatar of Frenchie501

Are there any books that explore things from both sides and don't offer too biased on opinion? I've heard Peter Wells book is okay but I can't trust a book where the author has played nil/very few games in such a line...

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In the line Iront


iger gave White should not play the weakening 5. f3

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here is another variation

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If you intend to play the Nimzo, you could change your move-order:

1. d4 e6 2. (not the Trompovsky; Nf3, c4... maybe) Nf6 and 3. Bg5 can be met with d5 and a very solid center or Be7.

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Irontiger wrote:

I hold the belief that 2...Ne5 refutes the Trompovsky completely and the white compensation for the pair of bishop is not enough, but GMs do not share my opinion. 

Boy, hard to know whose opinion to respect, here.  Irontiger from the internet, or all the GM's in the world.

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According to this paper white is better off playing 2. c4 instead of 2. Bg5

https://www.academia.edu/7144466/COMPARING_CHESS_OPENINGS_PART_3_QUEENS_PAWN_OPENINGS

Avatar of TheGreatOogieBoogie

I like 1.d4,Nf6 2.Bg5,Ne4 3.Bh4,c5 challenging the d-pawn. 3...d5 is good too.  There's no refutation per se but black equalizes faster than in the mainline stuff if he knows the theory. 

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When someone posts he can refute the Trompovsy with 2. ...Ne4 and he knows better than most grandmasters--he better back it up or he may look like a fool.

He could write a book on his refutation of the Trompovsy and if he has a real refutation it would be a best seller. 

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The line I play that was recommended by boris alterman is something like this, although I havn't spend much time familiarising myself with the theory.

What do people think? It can get fairly messy.