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How to play against the "Big 3" d4 systems?

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generickplayer

In a lot of online chess games, it seems that a lot of people follow "systems", most commonly the Colle, the Torre and the London. I know some strategies to deal with these systems (take out the DSB in the London, fianchetto against Colle/London), but are there any more tips on how to deal with these systems as Black?

poucin

as usual, it depends on what u play on 1.d4-2.c4 stuff...

Shiraaaaazi
I agree with Poucin. If you play QGD or Dutch, for example, your choices will be different than If you play 1...Nf6 and 2...e6 systems
kindaspongey

Possibly helpful:
Grandmaster Repertoire 11: Beating 1 d4 Sidelines by Boris Avrukh (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627001415/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen164.pdf
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/GM11-1d4Sidelines-excerpt.pdf
Dealing with d4 Deviations by John Cox (2005)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627032909/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen89.pdf

generickplayer
DeirdreSkye wrote:

I want to add that in these openings opening preparation never wins the game.

    Middlegame understanding and endgame technique does.

I understand - but perhaps there are some middle-game ideas which repeat in certain systems?

dpnorman

Anything active. Don't lose sleep over this stuff. 

chessletsplayer
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kindaspongey

I am reminded of a passage from the 2005 Cox book: "I think it's worth examining why I used to do so badly against [the London, the Colle, the Torre, the Trompowsky, the Veresov, etc.] ... I didn't actually have a repertoire at all against, say, the Colle. You just play chess, right? Develop the pieces and equalize. I remember Grandmaster Vlatko Kovacevic playing the Colle against me ... Time has mercifully obscured the details, but I know I went ... d5 and ... c5. Pretty soon a knight appeared on e5 and I didn't seem to be able to shift it. Shortly after that, either the h- or the g-pawn arrived on the premises. Then came Re3, Qh5, and the next thing I knew I was looking like something out of 1001 Winning Chess Combinations. That wasn't the only such debacle, either; every time my opponent played one of these vile things I was behind on the clock as I worked on my conception of the wheel, and just as you'd expect some of my wheels came out square. ... I didn't consider [these openings] dangerous. ... I could list easily a hundred 2550+ players who have succumbed to the openings ... These openings produce as red-blooded a struggle as any, and if you're not ready for it, you're starting at a big disadvantage."

kindaspongey
DeirdreSkye wrote:

You try to find an easy way to ply against them ,a  trick.

    There is no such thing. ...

Were the words, "easy" and "trick" chosen by imunknown2 or DeirdreSkye?

kindaspongey
DeirdreSkye wrote:

     Cox tries to persuade us that it was not his bad play(or opponent's better play) that made him lose but lack of opening preparation. ...

What I saw was a Cox reference to a "big advantage".

chessletsplayer