Hi.
How to play against the Pillsbury setup in the Slav?
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Robert0905 wrote:
A helpful comment, maybe?
I don't play the Slav so I wouldn't know. However, I saw the pillsbury and couldn't resist
May 14, 2015
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X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:
A helpful comment, maybe?
I don't play the Slav so I wouldn't know. However, I saw the pillsbury and couldn't resist
QDG, Slav, anything.
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May 15, 2015
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TitanCG wrote:
The only way I know of is by putting your bishop on f4. Then if Black challenges it at some point with ...Bd6 you defend it with e3 and if Black captures you get your pawn on f4. But you have to be careful doing this because it might create weaknesses.
The Setup I am talking about is something like this:
Oh sorry I read the thread wrong...
A good place to start is here: http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2006/yaacov-lecture.htm
Look at Illustrative Game 1:Yaacov Norowitz - Alex Stripunsky
and Game 2: YaacovN - EttoreMajorana (Veselin Topalov)
May 15, 2015
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GreedyPawnEater wrote:
It's a nightmare for the slav. Black is toasted in most variations without any counter play. Youd better switch to another defence
Black cannot be toasted. The Slav is sound.
May 15, 2015
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TitanCG wrote:
Oh sorry I read the thread wrong...
A good place to start is here: http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2006/yaacov-lecture.htm
Look at Illustrative Game 1:Yaacov Norowitz - Alex Stripunsky
and Game 2: YaacovN - EttoreMajorana (Veselin Topalov)
Thanks! As it happens, Stripunsky was the one who suggested that I play the Slav.
May 15, 2015
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I just looked at the games, and it seems there are all about the white side of this line.
Yeah it's not conclusive but it's well annotated, it shows you the basics and you can look at the games and try to improve on them or find your own wrinkles. Both games show pretty different approaches and Yaccov probably was playing the best continuations at the time since he played a lot of stonewall games.
May 15, 2015
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GreedyPawnEater wrote:
the Slav is sound only in theory...there are a few variations where black has no play whatsoever
Like...?
Robert0905 wrote:
GreedyPawnEater wrote:
the Slav is sound only in theory...there are a few variations where black has no play whatsoever
Like...?
I know 100% that the line you showed in that diagram is the Stone Wall Attack. That is what white is playing.
Its been a long while since I rememeber what the Pillsbury bind looked like. I thought it involved a knight c5 move.
I went to get the game that Harry Nelson Pillsbury played so you can see the bind.
22.Nc5 was considered the "Pillsbury Bind"
The below text is what the commenters wrote about it.
On 22. Nc5, Pillsbury gets in the "Pillsbury bind," -a paralyzing knight outpost on that square, which in this case was thought to have been decisive.
Here is another example.
16.Nc5 is considered the "Pillsbury Bind" in this game.
The reason why it is such a powerful Bind is becuase it freezes the pawns (stops them from moving). The pawns need to move to liberate the black position. However, with this blocking Nc5 move it doesn't allow any liberation which causes huge problems for the black position.
The Pillsbury attack is basically just White sticking a knight on e5 supported by pawns on d4 and f4 and trying to mate Black on h7. It's the kind of stuff White can get in certain d-pawn openings. I didn't know that Nc5 move actually had a similar name though
May 15, 2015
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mromanian wrote:
I play the Slav but don't really know about the pillsburry setup.
Actually it's called the Stonewall.
I have trouble finding a way to play against the Nf3-e5, f2-f4, check, check, mate, setups when I am playing the slav as black.
Could anyone help with this?