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tigergutt

i think you are right. i play the pirc as black and against it with austrian attack as white. against 2.Nf3 i play something like this recommended on nigel davies dvd

tigergutt
howlzamimaru wrote:
tigergutt wrote:
howlzamimaru wrote:

i would simply avoid that position altogether tbh, it just causes you harm (ie not being able to castle).

thats just my opinion tho...


i see your point but dont forget, the point of castling is to have the king safe for dangerous middlegameattacks and centralize the rooks. here i can easily centralize rooks and i already skipped the middlegame straight into the endgame so since its a endgame white with the castled king is the one having trouble since he must get the king out of the corner and into the game while im already there:) if you added a queen to that position it would have been a different scenario. just play through howlzamimarus game from the last post and you see how solid black are


 meh, it would b ok if your playing for a draw against a very high rated opponent 2200+, but even against 2100's, i just try and outplay them, without taking it to the endgame.


how is this a good way for white to play for draw? almost all the pieces are still on the board and every single one of strong players i have talked to claims the position is at least equal for black if not a tiny bit better for black because of white cpawn. just earlier today you said that black is worse because he cant castle so i dont think you will survive against a 2100player with that opening as a line because you doesnt seem to understand what is going on there at all. if you have an easy draw i would love to see the analysis. also if you claim white has an advantage there i would hear what it is:)

Elubas

Interestingly, silman said that position favored black in one of his books, I think it was the reasses your chess work book. Now the one with e4 and d4 is different, that one is better for white, no question. But when c4 is played I suppose that the c pawn could be a small liability and now e3 will probably be necessary to cover the weak d4 square, but now d3 is weakened, and black on the other hand has a solid pawn on e5 with some space. In white's favor is the awkwardness in black's position because he can't castle.

I myself have a hard time thinking these subtle white weaknesses is enough to actually say it favors black, but these advantages probably at least give him equality easily. Better is probably to avoid this altogether, as on 1...d6 you could just transpose into a pirc with e4, which I certainly wouldn't mind playing against even though I'm a d4 player.

opticRED

Interesting defense for black. I think I will add this in my repertoire. Black is definitely ok after the queen trade

Elubas
opticnerve wrote:

Interesting defense for black. I think I will add this in my repertoire. Black is definitely ok after the queen trade


Well to play 1...d6 you would of course have to be prepared for anything other than this line, like the pirc.

tigergutt

i didnt knew this. thanks

tigergutt

i just looked at my nigel davies dvd again. when he goes over the lines he barely mentioned 3.dxe5 as i remember but later on the dvd it got its own little chapter. i somehow missed this. he explains strategical themes in the line for around 15 minuts:) i strongly recommend the dvd as it is very clubplayerfriendly and he explain moves many other authors just assume we understand

VLaurenT

Ah great ! So now, I guess you know enough to annotate a game by yourself Wink

tigergutt

yes i know alot more now. but i won convincingly last time i played it by moving bishop to threathen c4 forcing queenside weaknessess, he moved pawn to b3 so i moved my Apawn all the way down and exchanged it for the Bpawn which he recaptured with Apawn. then i pressured the Bpawn until i got it and won. a shame it was quick chess so nothing was written down. he could have defended the pawn with more precise play but now my friends have stopped playing 3.dxe5 and instead moves pawn to d5Yell so i have to learn some KIDlines but not to many and according to davies they are good for black with extra flexibility because of the moveorder. chess is no easy game

VLaurenT

If white plays d5, then I guess a quick f5 should give black a good game, provided white can't send a Knight to e6 via g5 Undecided

Elubas
hicetnunc wrote:

Ah great ! So now, I guess you know enough to annotate a game by yourself


Hey, I do.