What do you think about this attempt preggo, little bit counterintuitive to move the B twice and very rarely played
Looking in he database it's been played by 2700s, so sure, it must not be bad.
6.e3 is the main move though.
heres a game with 6.e3
Thanks alot Deirde, that was helpful, the 4...Be7 line seems to take the sting out of the position
3....Be7 is fully playable of course but rather than "taking the sting out of the position" can lead to very complex positions. Some of the more dramatic games of the Kasparov v Karpov matches occured in this line.
One of the big changes of modern times is 3...Nf6 4...Be7 followed by Nh5, usually most accurately with h6, Bh4 inserted is completely neutralising the minority attack ideas, and by delaying which side to castle most of the other white ideas.
Black can hold against exchange variation, before it was a weapon against QGD when Botvinnik use it not any more.
Black can hold against exchange variation, before it was a weapon against QGD when Botvinnik use it not any more.
Kasparov used a lot of botvinniks ideas with good results sooo...
This Adams game with Qg5, shows black doesn't need to play the rather passive 14...Nf6. Think nowdays Qc2 isn't considered most testing if intending king-side castling.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1795652
The annoying thing about the exchange (as with most exchange lines) is if I want to play for a win as black... that's something GMs who win tournaments on +2 after 80 rounds don't have to worry about
I win numerous times in Exchange Lines. I can think of 1 draw in the last 8 months in about a dozen OTB games. Ithe was an Exchange Slav (I was White). As White in exchange lines, a couple of Exchange KID games, couple of anti-Grunfelds, all wins, and then the draw in the exchange Slav. As Black, at least 4 or 5 exchange French's, all wins. It is all about knowing how to play them at the amateur level GM level? Sure, very high draw ratio.
In the 3...Be7 line, which was all to the fore a few years ago, a lot of work has been done by the pros. Here is one characteristic game. So had analysed this rather unusual line to the end with his computer at home, and blitzed all the moves:
So was stunned when they informed him that the whole thing was played 33 years ago, in a game Vaisser- Geller, 16th Chigorin Memorial at Sochi. Efim had analysed the line all by himself at a time that computers did not exist... Wesley did not know about it because he had purged all old games from his database as "useless".
The annoying thing about the exchange (as with most exchange lines) is if I want to play for a win as black... that's something GMs who win tournaments on +2 after 80 rounds don't have to worry about
I win numerous times in Exchange Lines. I can think of 1 draw in the last 8 months in about a dozen OTB games. Ithe was an Exchange Slav (I was White). As White in exchange lines, a couple of Exchange KID games, couple of anti-Grunfelds, all wins, and then the draw in the exchange Slav. As Black, at least 4 or 5 exchange French's, all wins. It is all about knowing how to play them at the amateur level GM level? Sure, very high draw ratio.
Yeah, I somewhat agree. I used to play the exchange french as white for a win (and had good results, 4 wins and a draw IIRC).
With black I sometimes struggle to get play vs lower rated players who seem overly eager to kill the position. Sure you press all the way through to the endgame, trying to pose problems for them, but after tons of Ruys and QGDs I'm starting to want to try less classical lines as black. Maybe I'll go back to an all classical repertoire in a few years 
Thanks alot Deirde, that was helpful, the 4...Be7 line seems to take the sting out of the position
3....Be7 is fully playable of course but rather than "taking the sting out of the position" can lead to very complex positions. Some of the more dramatic games of the Kasparov v Karpov matches occured in this line.
One of the big changes of modern times is 3...Nf6 4...Be7 followed by Nh5, usually most accurately with h6, Bh4 inserted is completely neutralising the minority attack ideas, and by delaying which side to castle most of the other white ideas.
The Nh5 system is quite a good idea but it neutralises nothing except the opposite castling idea.
I vaguely recall h6 making the f3-e4 stuff more dangerous, but I may be talking nonsense, I'm not totally sure if that's something I read from a credible source or not (like a book vs chess.com post heh).
In the 3...Be7 line, which was all to the fore a few years ago, a lot of work has been done by the pros. Here is one characteristic game. So had analysed this rather unusual line to the end with his computer at home, and blitzed all the moves:
So was stunned when they informed him that the whole thing was played 33 years ago, in a game Vaisser- Geller, 16th Chigorin Memorial at Sochi. Efim had analysed the line all by himself at a time that computers did not exist... Wesley did not know about it because he had purged all old games from his database as "useless".
Oh yeah, I remember that story.
Also, Carlsen had finished his game early (or something?) and was doing some commentating. I think So's game was around move 14 or 15. Carlsen instantly saw so many amazing tactical lines so quickly I was in awe
He thought it may not be a draw, but admitted he didn't recognize the position, and it may be known to theory as a draw, and of course So was still in his preparation.
So IMO it's better to copy Kramnik... but again you have to be happy with a draw as black.
And unlike Kramnik, you'll probably be playing people 200-300 rating points below you now and then
if Kramnik plays people 300 points below him he likes to go for a semi-slav. Via qgd-move order to avoid exchange-slav, but then we are at the OPs topic again lol
When Botvinnik was recruiting new students for his school, he asked Vova Kramnik if he can recall the move he made in the masters tournament in the 20's. Kramnik smiled and called out not only to move, but recited the games played on other boards as well.
When Botvinnik was recruiting new students for his school, he asked Vova Kramnik if he can recall the move he made in the masters tournament in the 20's. Kramnik smiled and called out not only to move, but recited the games played on other boards as well.
Is Kramnik a medium?
When Botvinnik was recruiting new students for his school, he asked Vova Kramnik if he can recall the move he made in the masters tournament in the 20's. Kramnik smiled and called out not only to move, but recited the games played on other boards as well.
Is Kramnik a medium?
The claim which was made half-jokingly comes from Pogonina's blog. I do not know about its/ hers credibility.
In the 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Be74. cxd5 exd5 5. Bf4 c6 6. e3Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. h4 Bxh4 line mentioned earlier Kasparov writes it is well-known that white has the advantage after
9Qb3 g5 10Bh2 then with the pawn on f7, the line in the So\Geller game doesn't work 10...Bxg4 11Qxb7 etc, but 10...Qb6 11Nf3 QxQ 12pxQ Bxg4 13NxB pxN 14BxN RXB 15Rxa7 given by Kasparov doesn't seem to be anything for white either.
At the risk of being compared with Yigor, I looked at some database statistics. In games where both sides are rated below 2100 in my database, White has a ridiculous score with the Exchange variation: 51% wins and 24% draws.
This makes sense, because White has a (small) structural advantage: an extra pawn in the center and an open c-file that faces a potentially weak pawn (especially after the minority attack). Black's counterplay is a bit more nebulous, and a single mis-timed move or inaccuracy can let White completely take over with little risk. Considering below master level is by definition filled with mistakes and inaccuracies. it's no wonder why White performs so well.
In short, you are not alone in finding the QGD Exchange hard to face. The Kramnik idea above seems like a good attempt, or perhaps ThrillerFan's more imbalanced suggestions as the bottom of his post.
Wow. Those statistics are impressive.
Queen cant take on b7 on move 10 because Nb6,Bc8 trapps the queen thats quite cute