I need an anti caro repertoire

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The Fantasy Variation: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3

This is not subtle. You’re saying: “I reject your structure. I reject your safety. I’m here to summon tilt.”

Most Caro-Kann players expect Advance or Classical. Fantasy throws them off immediately. You support e4 and threaten e5, forcing Black to make decisions fast. You can castle queenside, launch a pawn storm, and aim for piece activity over structure.

It’s sharp, underplayed, and full of tactical possibilities

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Ive heard its good, thanks

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One sharp response to the Fantasy Variation goes like this:
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. f3. fxe4
4. fxe4 e5
5. Nf3. Bg4
6. c3 Bh5 (to protect f7 from Qb3)
7. 0-0 Ngf6
8. Bg5 Bd6
9. Nbd2. Qc7

and Black’s position looks solid
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Bruh

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ChessEnthusiast48 hat geschrieben:
One sharp response to the Fantasy Variation goes like this:
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. f3. fxe4
4. fxe4 e5
5. Nf3. Bg4
6. c3 Bh5 (to protect f7 from Qb3)
7. 0-0 Ngf6
8. Bg5 Bd6
9. Nbd2. Qc7
and Black’s position looks solid

Thanks

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Weren’t you the guy who made that thread about girls
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Why do you want an anti-Caro? Are you finding it difficult to face as White? I wouldn't recommend an "anti opening" to someone who is serious about improving their game. Bite the bullet and face the Caro with the best moves available. I consider a mistake to play a substandard opening simply to avoid the work of facing an opening properly, and an even bigger mistake to play one hoping that your opponent won't be prepared. I've said it before and I'll say it again. By making it easy on yourself, you make it easy on your opponent. As you climb the ladder of ability, you will find it tougher and tougher to win games with anti-openings. If you don't care about long term improvemnt then sure, play an anti. But you will hit the glass ceiling soon enough. And ypu will then have to learn a new opening if you want to get better.

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Weirdgerman wrote:

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When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Weirdgerman wrote:

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When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

Sometimes its just a practical choice yk ... I myself haven't properly played the open sicilian as white and relied on a bunch of anti-sicilians because in general the work I have to put is insane , I know it helps in chess improvement , I become a better player in general as well ... But I have a decent idea of quite a bunch of open sicilian positions from courses , chess games , discussions and analysing with friends etc .. As a matter of fact look at this game 

The opening that I played here is so rare that no GM has ever played it yet , and still its pretty good .. I basically just play a variation is which so rare most probably no one has even seen it . The point of anti-openings are not always " I wanna avoid theory and learn fast how to have a decent counter " ... It can be , but more than that offbeat openings or openings which are sidelines and anti openings serves you as a surprise weapon and you know more about your opening than what your opponent does thus giving you the "PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE EDGE"Have a look at another game where my opponent just got slaughtered in the same variation ->

So yeah although your point is not wrong at all , I am just adding the other side of the same coin that having anti-openings does have a few positives and it is gonna work flawlessly as long as it remains less played . 

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Two knights variation is an objectively valid opening which is rarely played. It leads to position caro-kann players are unfamiliar with and some traps in it. Downside is that you have to learn your positions and its not as straight forward as the regular variations.

Panov attack is also a valid option.

Fantasy variation is good but the most common trap is the one where white lose their H1 rook.

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Ssehchsa wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

Sometimes its just a practical choice yk ... I myself haven't properly played the open sicilian as white and relied on a bunch of anti-sicilians because in general the work I have to put is insane , I know it helps in chess improvement , I become a better player in general as well ... But I have a decent idea of quite a bunch of open sicilian positions from courses , chess games , discussions and analysing with friends etc .. As a matter of fact look at this game

The opening that I played here is so rare that no GM has ever played it yet , and still its pretty good .. I basically just play a variation is which so rare most probably no one has even seen it . The point of anti-openings are not always " I wanna avoid theory and learn fast how to have a decent counter " ... It can be , but more than that offbeat openings or openings which are sidelines and anti openings serves you as a surprise weapon and you know more about your opening than what your opponent does thus giving you the "PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE EDGE"Have a look at another game where my opponent just got slaughtered in the same variation ->

So yeah although your point is not wrong at all , I am just adding the other side of the same coin that having anti-openings does have a few positives and it is gonna work flawlessly as long as it remains less played .

I hear what you're saying. But you're also higher rated than the OP. So for you, yea it may work, But as I said in my comment. The OP is still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. None of that will be fixed by studying another opening.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo hat geschrieben:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

And yet im still better than you

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Weirdgerman wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo hat geschrieben:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

And yet im still better than you

Hopefully I wont lose any sleep over that tonight grin

Im just saying. Work on the basics. Learning another opening is not going to fix what needs to be worked on. But its your game, so so what makes you happy.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo hat geschrieben:
Ssehchsa wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

Sometimes its just a practical choice yk ... I myself haven't properly played the open sicilian as white and relied on a bunch of anti-sicilians because in general the work I have to put is insane , I know it helps in chess improvement , I become a better player in general as well ... But I have a decent idea of quite a bunch of open sicilian positions from courses , chess games , discussions and analysing with friends etc .. As a matter of fact look at this game

The opening that I played here is so rare that no GM has ever played it yet , and still its pretty good .. I basically just play a variation is which so rare most probably no one has even seen it . The point of anti-openings are not always " I wanna avoid theory and learn fast how to have a decent counter " ... It can be , but more than that offbeat openings or openings which are sidelines and anti openings serves you as a surprise weapon and you know more about your opening than what your opponent does thus giving you the "PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE EDGE"Have a look at another game where my opponent just got slaughtered in the same variation ->

So yeah although your point is not wrong at all , I am just adding the other side of the same coin that having anti-openings does have a few positives and it is gonna work flawlessly as long as it remains less played .

I hear what you're saying. But you're also higher rated than the OP. So for you, yea it may work, But as I said in my comment. The OP is still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. None of that will be fixed by studying another opening.

I might play too fast, but even then im still better

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Weirdgerman wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo hat geschrieben:
Ssehchsa wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

Sometimes its just a practical choice yk ... I myself haven't properly played the open sicilian as white and relied on a bunch of anti-sicilians because in general the work I have to put is insane , I know it helps in chess improvement , I become a better player in general as well ... But I have a decent idea of quite a bunch of open sicilian positions from courses , chess games , discussions and analysing with friends etc .. As a matter of fact look at this game

The opening that I played here is so rare that no GM has ever played it yet , and still its pretty good .. I basically just play a variation is which so rare most probably no one has even seen it . The point of anti-openings are not always " I wanna avoid theory and learn fast how to have a decent counter " ... It can be , but more than that offbeat openings or openings which are sidelines and anti openings serves you as a surprise weapon and you know more about your opening than what your opponent does thus giving you the "PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE EDGE"Have a look at another game where my opponent just got slaughtered in the same variation ->

So yeah although your point is not wrong at all , I am just adding the other side of the same coin that having anti-openings does have a few positives and it is gonna work flawlessly as long as it remains less played .

I hear what you're saying. But you're also higher rated than the OP. So for you, yea it may work, But as I said in my comment. The OP is still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. None of that will be fixed by studying another opening.

I might play too fast, but even then im still better

I'm 62. This stuff doesn't work on me.

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LieutenantFrankColumbo hat geschrieben:
Weirdgerman wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo hat geschrieben:
Ssehchsa wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

Sometimes its just a practical choice yk ... I myself haven't properly played the open sicilian as white and relied on a bunch of anti-sicilians because in general the work I have to put is insane , I know it helps in chess improvement , I become a better player in general as well ... But I have a decent idea of quite a bunch of open sicilian positions from courses , chess games , discussions and analysing with friends etc .. As a matter of fact look at this game

The opening that I played here is so rare that no GM has ever played it yet , and still its pretty good .. I basically just play a variation is which so rare most probably no one has even seen it . The point of anti-openings are not always " I wanna avoid theory and learn fast how to have a decent counter " ... It can be , but more than that offbeat openings or openings which are sidelines and anti openings serves you as a surprise weapon and you know more about your opening than what your opponent does thus giving you the "PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE EDGE"Have a look at another game where my opponent just got slaughtered in the same variation ->

So yeah although your point is not wrong at all , I am just adding the other side of the same coin that having anti-openings does have a few positives and it is gonna work flawlessly as long as it remains less played .

I hear what you're saying. But you're also higher rated than the OP. So for you, yea it may work, But as I said in my comment. The OP is still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. None of that will be fixed by studying another opening.

I might play too fast, but even then im still better

I'm 62. This stuff doesn't work on me.

If youre actually 62, shame, you should know better than to insult people just for saying the words ANTI caro kann. I learned anti sicilians, so why not use it for caro instead of writing out some longer words that mean thr same thing. Really shame man. Be gone

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fwz065 hat geschrieben:

Why do you want an anti-Caro? Are you finding it difficult to face as White? I wouldn't recommend an "anti opening" to someone who is serious about improving their game. Bite the bullet and face the Caro with the best moves available. I consider a mistake to play a substandard opening simply to avoid the work of facing an opening properly, and an even bigger mistake to play one hoping that your opponent won't be prepared. I've said it before and I'll say it again. By making it easy on yourself, you make it easy on your opponent. As you climb the ladder of ability, you will find it tougher and tougher to win games with anti-openings. If you don't care about long term improvemnt then sure, play an anti. But you will hit the glass ceiling soon enough. And ypu will then have to learn a new opening if you want to get better.

Youre 700, no offense, but especially you should learn "anti openings" But what you are forgetting is that "anti" means "against" which is why i dont want an "Anti-caro kann" but a repertoire that is good against caro kann

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LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Ssehchsa wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
Weirdgerman wrote:

Title

When I see someone asking for an "anti-opening". That tells me you aren't serious about improving. You're still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. An "anti-opening" is not going to fix those things.

Sometimes its just a practical choice yk ... I myself haven't properly played the open sicilian as white and relied on a bunch of anti-sicilians because in general the work I have to put is insane , I know it helps in chess improvement , I become a better player in general as well ... But I have a decent idea of quite a bunch of open sicilian positions from courses , chess games , discussions and analysing with friends etc .. As a matter of fact look at this game

The opening that I played here is so rare that no GM has ever played it yet , and still its pretty good .. I basically just play a variation is which so rare most probably no one has even seen it . The point of anti-openings are not always " I wanna avoid theory and learn fast how to have a decent counter " ... It can be , but more than that offbeat openings or openings which are sidelines and anti openings serves you as a surprise weapon and you know more about your opening than what your opponent does thus giving you the "PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE EDGE"Have a look at another game where my opponent just got slaughtered in the same variation ->

So yeah although your point is not wrong at all , I am just adding the other side of the same coin that having anti-openings does have a few positives and it is gonna work flawlessly as long as it remains less played .

I hear what you're saying. But you're also higher rated than the OP. So for you, yea it may work, But as I said in my comment. The OP is still hanging material, missing simple tactics and moving way too fast. None of that will be fixed by studying another opening.

Oh yeah cool , my bad , your statement seems more relevant than mine because openings won't matter a lot at his level ( I said a lot , not it doesn't matter ) but again I couldn't really get a good estimate of his strength because of his new account as it maybe higher or lower than what it's on paper at the moment ... so yeah debatable , but my answer was anyways more generalized so its fine
Also we don't need to get personal with comments like " I am better than you " , In a way people are just giving out their opinions here , It may work for you , it may not because the thing that he said works pretty well for a lot of people , I have myself seen people getting paranoid on changing multiple openings and not achieving the desired results , because the problem never was the opening but it were the other factors instead . Your frustation is kinda justifyable when you are searching for an opening and all of a sudden you get an advice sort of telling you to work on yourself , when you might have tried all of them out already and are working on yourself hard and hence wanted a good option ... Well that clearly doesn't resonate with what you are thinking about so yeah you can just take that comment with a grain of salt and focus on other one's more . But it could also very well be that you didn't try out all the options , maybe in that case this comment will help you out by being in the back of your mind :P

Also just read this really cool comment "I'm 62. This stuff doesn't work on me."
---> Sir , I have my utmost respect for you . you are 62 and still love the game and you're still strong! pretty inspiring in my opinion :)

I wish ya all the best