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I play the French but HATE e6

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Irontiger
Feb 28, 2013
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GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:

It is inferior to Caro-Kann, Petroff,  Ruy Lopez, Sicilian and Pirc. 

Even if the first ones are vaguely something I could believe if you convinced me enough, not the Pirc (which btw has never being a main weapon either).

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makikihustle
Feb 28, 2013
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#22
Kingpatzer wrote:

Korchnoi plays the French, but it is not his primary weapon against 1. e4. 

I know of no player who's name most people would know who employs the French against 1. e4 as his or her primary weapon. Even the best French players, like Shulman, use it as an occassional weapon not as a primary opening choice. 

I'm surprised you haven't heard of Alexander Morozevich. He plays the French almost exclusively, and is rated just a smidge under 2800 FIDE. (2760 last I checked).

 

I've used the French to beat an International Master in standard time, and several NM's and FM's in online blitz, so I don't think of it as a poor defense. Perhaps in the Super Grandmaster field it gets harder to eek out a win, but it seems strong enough to win up to the 2700 level at least.

 

So maybe the French wins in 2700 or less. And after that perhaps flaws begin to emerge. But even then, I say "maybe." If there is a refutation of the French, I've yet to hear about it.

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waffllemaster
Feb 28, 2013
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#23

lol at the title.

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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Krames wrote:

I've been playing the French for years but I think my time is done. I know the e6 break is necessary in many lines, I just don't like it, actually i hate it. I've tried the Modern, too cramped. I've never ever played the Sicilian . . . If I give it a try can I get a good book recomendation for someone new to the opening? There is a Move by Move book on the Taimnaov which looks interesting . . . any guidance for a wannabe Sicilian player?

 

-Ted

well thats weird i hate the french as black because of whites pawn on e5. i  know its only temporary, but i feel like im attacked and mated at any moment, really that pawn on e5 doesnt let me sleep so i said to myself dont the the french anymore, besides i somehow totally lack a middle game plan after the opening.

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Irontiger
Feb 28, 2013
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makikihustle wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:

Korchnoi plays the French, but it is not his primary weapon against 1. e4. 

I know of no player who's name most people would know who employs the French against 1. e4 as his or her primary weapon. Even the best French players, like Shulman, use it as an occassional weapon not as a primary opening choice. 

I'm surprised you haven't heard of Alexander Morozevich. He plays the French almost exclusively, and is rated just a smidge under 2800 FIDE. (2760 last I checked).

 

Indeed. I just checked chessgames.com, it seems he played it around 20 times in 2012, with a 50% score.

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waffllemaster
Feb 28, 2013
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#26

As if the French isn't viable...

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#27
waffllemaster wrote:

As if the French isn't viable...

ofc its viable, but is it unnecessary too much of a hassle?? that is a different question

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Feb 28, 2013
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#28

the french is so bad guys it is boring, has bad endgames gives less winning chances then the caro-khan and most of all refuted. that is why i play it and many top grandmasters as well

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#29

well ofc its not refuted but it seems hard to play for a non master. 

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#30

i mean hard to play for black

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Feb 28, 2013
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#31
TetsuoShima wrote:

well ofc its not refuted but it seems hard to play for a non master. 

i'm not a master and my best record is with the french defence out of all defenses

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#32
p-wnattack wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:

well ofc its not refuted but it seems hard to play for a non master. 

i'm not a master and my best record is with the french defence out of all defenses

you just said it is refuted

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Feb 28, 2013
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#33
TetsuoShima wrote:
p-wnattack wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:

well ofc its not refuted but it seems hard to play for a non master. 

i'm not a master and my best record is with the french defence out of all defenses

you just said it is refuted

that was sarcasm

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#34
p-wnattack wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
p-wnattack wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:

well ofc its not refuted but it seems hard to play for a non master. 

i'm not a master and my best record is with the french defence out of all defenses

you just said it is refuted

that was sarcasm

how can i tell your other post isnt sarcasm as well?

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makikihustle
Feb 28, 2013
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#35

The French Defense: Trench warfare!

 

The style and strategies may seem counter-intuitive at times, to someone new to the French, but those unique pawn-structures and hoppity knights are what avid French players love the most about it... not to mention the subtle-but-powerful rook lifts in some lines.

 

The French is a serious weapon against e4 in the hands of players who know what they are doing.

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Irontiger
Feb 28, 2013
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#36
TetsuoShima wrote:

you just said it is refuted

Read his post again, it was irony. I didn't get it either before the last words.

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#37

 hoppity knights and the rook lift yeah sounds great

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Feb 28, 2013
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#38
LelaCrosby wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't recommend the sicillian.  I played a game against a player of approximate equal strength.  He played the sicillian and lost.  The opening was strong, but easy to deteriorate. 

I decided to test out the sicillian myself against a player who happened to be a bit higher rated.  It's not going so well. 

I'll need to try out this opening a bit more before I draw conclusions.

3 of the 4 games you've played against the sicilian you have lost, and the other one you played 2. c4 and your opponent responded with 2...e5, which isn't necesarily a sicilian (feels more like an english to me).

With black all of your games started 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 e5?!, which should give black a very tough position.

The sicilian is an opening that you must understand to play well, so recommending that someone else avoids it because of a few games by players who have never seriously studied even the first few moves of the sicilian seems wrong.

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InfiniteFlash
Feb 28, 2013
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#39

Wolfgang Ullman was the main user of the french defense. It was a liftime marriage between the two of them.

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TetsuoShima
Feb 28, 2013
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#40
Randomemory wrote:

Wolfgang Ullman was the main user of the french defense. It was a liftime marriage between the two of them.

but he probably still had some bedstorys with other openings