I ranked all 20 responses to e4 for black - Chess Forums - Page 32

AngryPuffer

Jun 6, 2023

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#621

tarrash is the best d4 opening for black (according to stockfish)

AngryPuffer

Jun 6, 2023

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#622

PawnHurricanes wrote:

Sea_TurtIe wrote:

In the caro cant

white has a larger center with more/quicker development
white has a space advantage
white can easily hold an advantage the whole game
black is usually left passive
blacks light squared bishop is typically a liability and will be kicked around the whole opening/middlegame
the best black can play for is a draw

white can also easily attack black without having to risk much

(I'm responding to this and to anyone and any other posts outlining the negatives of the Caro)

For one, tell me those positions are easier to play for white honestly.

For two, the 1600+ lichess database for blitz and longer has white at 47% win rate and black with 48%. Practically, the Caro is on par or at least very, very similar in level to the Sicilian

dont give inferior lines for white

Ethan_Brollier

Jun 6, 2023

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#623

PawnHurricanes wrote:

Sea_TurtIe wrote:

In the caro cant

white has a larger center with more/quicker development
white has a space advantage
white can easily hold an advantage the whole game
black is usually left passive
blacks light squared bishop is typically a liability and will be kicked around the whole opening/middlegame
the best black can play for is a draw

white can also easily attack black without having to risk much

(I'm responding to this and to anyone and any other posts outlining the negatives of the Caro)

For one, tell me those positions are easier to play for white honestly.

For two, the 1600+ lichess database for blitz and longer has white at 47% win rate and black with 48%. Practically, the Caro is on par or at least very, very similar in level to the Sicilian

Ahhh, but that’s because you chose a terrible line in the Botivinnik-Carls for White. 5. f4 and BAM Black’s chances go down the drain (70/16/14 in the Chess.com database! Abysmal for Black). Now Black plays e6, resigning themselves to a sad French down a tempo, where after a sample line like 6. Be3 d4 7. Bf2 Bxc5 8. Nd2 9. Qf3 0-0 10. 0-0-0, that is a pretty massive attack staring down Black’s king.

PawnHurricanes

Jun 6, 2023

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#624

Ethan_Brollier wrote:

PawnHurricanes wrote:

Sea_TurtIe wrote:

In the caro cant

white has a larger center with more/quicker development
white has a space advantage
white can easily hold an advantage the whole game
black is usually left passive
blacks light squared bishop is typically a liability and will be kicked around the whole opening/middlegame
the best black can play for is a draw

white can also easily attack black without having to risk much

(I'm responding to this and to anyone and any other posts outlining the negatives of the Caro)

For one, tell me those positions are easier to play for white honestly.

For two, the 1600+ lichess database for blitz and longer has white at 47% win rate and black with 48%. Practically, the Caro is on par or at least very, very similar in level to the Sicilian

Ahhh, but that’s because you chose a terrible line in the Botivinnik-Carls for White. 5. f4 and BAM Black’s chances go down the drain (70/16/14 in the Chess.com database! Abysmal for Black). Now Black plays e6, resigning themselves to a sad French down a tempo, where after a sample line like 6. Be3 d4 7. Bf2 Bxc5 8. Nd2 9. Qf3 0-0 10. 0-0-0, that is a pretty massive attack staring down Black’s king.

PawnHurricanes

Jun 6, 2023

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#625

Bg4, Nh6-f5, NOW e6, I don't think this is a sad french?

PawnHurricanes

Jun 6, 2023

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#626

There's also the immediate Nh6, but personally I like h5 better

PawnHurricanes

Jun 6, 2023

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#627

Nh6 has same ideas obv

PawnHurricanes

Jun 6, 2023

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#628

Also the lichess database was purely based upon 1. e4 c6, not any variations

SamuelAjedrez95

Jun 6, 2023

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#629

TheSampson wrote:

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

i am genuinely baffled as to what is true there

anyway, youre saying that you made your alt publicly insult your main to the point where i responded fully to those arguments

Basically. I also tricked others like Sea_Turtle, Samuel, Frogboy, and more into responding to Bricky-Wicky.

Wtf.

SamuelAjedrez95

Jun 6, 2023

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#630

KingVandheer wrote:

Whats up with the unneccesary spam larp?

@TheSampson just revealed that he's trolling us with his alt account lol.

TheSampson

Jun 6, 2023

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#631

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

i am genuinely baffled as to what is true there

anyway, youre saying that you made your alt publicly insult your main to the point where i responded fully to those arguments

Basically. I also tricked others like Sea_Turtle, Samuel, Frogboy, and more into responding to Bricky-Wicky.

Wtf.

interesting reaction

TheSampson

Jun 6, 2023

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#632

KingVandheer wrote:

SamuelAjedrez95 yazdı:

KingVandheer wrote:

Whats up with the unneccesary spam larp?

@TheSampson just revealed that he's trolling us with his alt account lol.

Next time a debate like that happens I wont even know if the person is genuine or one of our freaks. But I sure know its a waste of time, yikes. Thirty pages of fooling around lmao

yeah, it’s actually insane how I managed to cause that with an alt, outrageous comments, and some staging

AngryPuffer

Jun 6, 2023

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#633

i love how a6 is a valid way to play agianst everything

AngryPuffer

Jun 6, 2023

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#634

a6 is a system opening to be honest

iceyww

Jun 6, 2023

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#635

The is my ranking of all the defenses against e4

20. B5

19. F6

18. Na6

17. G5

16. Nh6

15. F5

14. H5

13. A5

12. H6

11. A6

10. B6

9. Nf6

8. D5

7. Nc6

6. D6

5. G7

4. C6

3. E6

2. E5

1. C5

TheSampson

Jun 6, 2023

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#636

AngryPuffer wrote:

a6 is a system opening to be honest

the only possible system opening is the famed Sampson System

Forget the London, forget the Closed Sicilian, Sampson rules supreme.

AngryPuffer

Jun 6, 2023

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#637

sampson system collapses in e4 tho

TheSampson

Jun 6, 2023

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#638

AngryPuffer wrote:

sampson system collapses in e4 tho

that’s the gothammess system

Ethan_Brollier

Jun 6, 2023

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#639

angryspacevoid wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

PawnHurricanes wrote:

Sea_TurtIe wrote:

In the caro cant

white has a larger center with more/quicker development
white has a space advantage
white can easily hold an advantage the whole game
black is usually left passive
blacks light squared bishop is typically a liability and will be kicked around the whole opening/middlegame
the best black can play for is a draw

white can also easily attack black without having to risk much

(I'm responding to this and to anyone and any other posts outlining the negatives of the Caro)

For one, tell me those positions are easier to play for white honestly.

For two, the 1600+ lichess database for blitz and longer has white at 47% win rate and black with 48%. Practically, the Caro is on par or at least very, very similar in level to the Sicilian

dont give inferior lines for white

you guys are dumb smh this is why you actually understand the line

dxc5 is bad because of e6 Be3 Nd7

however c3 is the mainline and its kind of interesting

caro in general is hard to play for a win though white is often pressing in a lot of lines

If you wouldn’t mind clarifying, who exactly are you calling dumb in this scenario? I can’t tell.
Actually, many of your comments are vague or incorrect . Who is dxc5 bad for? Black, presumably, but then you go on to argue that c3 is the mainline and is interesting. No it is not, first of all, it’s a distant third most common move and second, White scores horribly in it.

AngryPuffer

Jun 6, 2023

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#640

e6 is forced in dxc5 and is just a much worse french

if you dont try it asap, its usually +1.5 for white