I want to learn the Ruy Lopez - Chess Forums - Page 4

IM pfren

Mar 18, 2020

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#61

ponz111 έγραψε:

Pumped the Ruy Lopez may not be hard for you as you are rated 2000+ but it would be difficult for a 1400/1500 player.

Nobody will read your comment, for obvious reasons. You can talk to him in person, although you have to hurry: the troll will close his new account after a few hours.

nighteyes1234

Mar 18, 2020

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#62

ponz111 wrote:

The Ruy Lopez is too complex for someone with your rating. I suggest a less complex opening and instead of trying to learn the Ruy Lopez--do what is best to increase your over all playing strength.

Ive been playing Ruy since I was rated <1000. Just followed the normal plan.

Played simplified moves, and learn how to defeat the garbage I had to.

Now the moves are more complex, and the garbage a lot less easy to spot, but its the same thing.

If you use kindaspongey approach on anything really, you only pretend to play opening...its that simple

lotusinfer

Mar 18, 2020

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#63

Logical Chess: Move by Move is the best place to start shows some Ruy Lopez games and helps you with other openings

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#64

nighteyes1234 wrote:

… If you use kindaspongey approach on anything really, you only pretend to play opening...its that simple

You mean the approach suggested by GM Neil McDonald?

"... Note that, if White wishes, he can rule out the Berlin Endgame by [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 Nf6] 4 d3 (or 4 Qe2). Similarly, [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6] 5 d3 stops the capture on e4 and so prevents the Open Variation. … You should give serious consideration to these avoidance measures … They have been used regularly by Carlsen and other top players and don't give Black an easy life. From a practical point of view, it saves on the amount of theory you have to learn and denies the opponent the chance to play what might be his favourite defence. …" - GM Neil McDonald (2011)

https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4256616

SoupTime4

Mar 18, 2020

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#65

leFrenchDefense wrote:

I want to learn it for both black and whitebut there's so much material and variations and i don't know where to start. Any books or videos explaining explaining the key concepts of this opening and few variations to keep in mind would be helpful.

The Move By Move series are excellent.

https://everymanchess.com/collections/move-by-move/products/the-ruy-lopez-move-by-move

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#66

fig687 wrote:

Logical Chess: Move by Move is the best place to start shows some Ruy Lopez games and helps you with other openings

"... Logical Chess … written in 1957 ... In many ways, it would [be] a wonderful 'first' book (or first 'serious' book, after the ones which teach the rules and elementary mates, for example), and a nice gift for a young player just taking up chess. ..." - IM John Watson (1999)

http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/assorted-recent-books

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#67

SoupTime4 wrote:

leFrenchDefense wrote:

I want to learn it for both black and whitebut there's so much material and variations and i don't know where to start. Any books or videos explaining explaining the key concepts of this opening and few variations to keep in mind would be helpful.

The Move By Move series are excellent.

https://everymanchess.com/collections/move-by-move/products/the-ruy-lopez-move-by-move

That is the GM McDonald book that I have referred to. It is perhaps worthwhile to mention that it has an emphasis on helping the player of the White pieces. So, for example, it does not have much on

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf

SoupTime4

Mar 18, 2020

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#68

How black recaptures will depend on what pawn structure he wants.

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#69

"I want to learn it for both black and ... Any books or videos explaining explaining …" - leFrenchDefense

SoupTime4 wrote:

… 4... dxc6 My opinion this is the better way to go. ...

Perhaps leFrenchDefense will want some commentary by a titled player.

SoupTime4

Mar 18, 2020

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#70

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

… 4... dxc6 My opinion this is the better way to go. ...

Perhaps leFrenchDefense will want some commentary by a titled player.

Perhaps, but they have to be asked. Then again, it doesnt take a titled player to explain the basics.

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#71

SoupTime4 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

… 4... dxc6 My opinion this is the better way to go. ...

Perhaps leFrenchDefense will want some commentary by a titled player.

Perhaps, but they have to be asked. ...

"... Any books or videos explaining …" - leFrenchDefense

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#72

SoupTime4 wrote:

... Then again, it doesnt take a titled player to explain the basics.

You referring to "basics" such as that the choices are 3...bxc6 and 3...dxc6 and that the choice influences the pawn structure?

SoupTime4

Mar 18, 2020

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#73

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

… 4... dxc6 My opinion this is the better way to go. ...

Perhaps leFrenchDefense will want some commentary by a titled player.

Perhaps, but they have to be asked. Then again, it doesnt take a titled player to explain the basics.

"... Any books or videos explaining explaining …" - leFrenchDefense

You referring to "basics" such as that the choices are 3...bxc6 and 3...dxc6 and that the choice influences the pawn structure?

It wasn't necessary, but thanks for repeating what i just posted.

kindaspongey

Mar 18, 2020

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#74

SoupTime4 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

… 4... dxc6 My opinion this is the better way to go. ...

Perhaps leFrenchDefense will want some commentary by a titled player.

... it doesnt take a titled player to explain the basics.

… You referring to "basics" such as that the choices are 3...bxc6 and 3...dxc6 and that the choice influences the pawn structure?

It wasn't necessary, but thanks for repeating what i just posted.

You don't want to clarify whether or not I correctly understood what you had in mind by "basics"? That's okay.

SoupTime4

Mar 18, 2020

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#75

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

SoupTime4 wrote:

… 4... dxc6 My opinion this is the better way to go. ...

Perhaps leFrenchDefense will want some commentary by a titled player.

... it doesnt take a titled player to explain the basics.

… You referring to "basics" such as that the choices are 3...bxc6 and 3...dxc6 and that the choice influences the pawn structure?

It wasn't necessary, but thanks for repeating what i just posted.

You don't want to clarify whether or not I correctly understood what you had mind by "basics"? That's okay.

Every online forum always has the usual cast of characters. You fill one of those roles here. You are a cliche, nothing more.

bong711

Mar 19, 2020

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#76

It's best to play Pruned Ruy Lopez. @kindaspongey have listed books. Easy for black to study Jaenish Gambit and Berlin. White the two plus Exchange and sidelines. As skills and ratings improve, more variation of Riuy Lopez.

kindaspongey

Mar 21, 2020

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#77

SoupTime4 wrote:

… Every online forum always has the usual cast of characters. You fill one of those roles here. You are a cliche, nothing more.

"... I am not here for the drama. ..." - SoupTime4 (~22 minutes ago)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/general-tips-about-improving?

Jason169

Mar 21, 2020

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#78

My Variation

kindaspongey

Mar 21, 2020

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#79

"... [IM Timothy Taylor] goes a bit astray in the last chapter of [his book, Slay the Spanish!] where he somewhat misguidedly attempts to resurrect Larsen's old favorite 4…bxc6 against the Ruy Lopez Exchange [(1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Bxc6)]. I don't believe even Larsen thought much of the line. Taylor argues that it only slightly deviates from the pawn structures that arise in the Steinitz Variation and thus should be viable, but Black's game is hardly any more comfortable than what you would get from the normal and stronger 4…dxc6, plus you run a few additional risks. Theory doesn't support his idea and his presentation in the last chapter does little to convince me otherwise. ..." - NM Carsten Hansen (2011)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627040230/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen146.pdf

SoupTime4

Mar 21, 2020

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#80

Jason169 wrote:

My Variation

While white is better, black is most certainly not losing.