Interesting Variation in the Caro-Kann (Worth Looking At)

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Rat1960

When my ego was crushed as a kid the Caro-Kann was my back-up.

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. h4 h5 {( ... c5)} 

5. Bg5 Qb6

6. Bd3 {( !? ?! )} Qxb2

What do you make of that, grab the pawn while leaving the bishop dangling?

Oblamov64
chesster3145 wrote:

Your comparison to the Alekhine-Chatard Attack is BS too. In the Alekhine-Chatard, White sacks an h-pawn to open the h-file and gain a couple of important tempi for an attack in an openng where he is supposed to attack on the kingside. After 6. h4!? Bxg5 7. hxg5 Qxg5 8. Nh3 Qe7 9. Qg4, White has some dangerous attacking chances. He can play Bd3 with tempo right away, and moves like Ng5 and Qh5 will be annoying.

In the Advance Caro-Kann, White isn't supposed to attack like a madman. Black has done nothing wrong. He has created no weaknesses in his position.

Cheap tricks, I say.

Who says you can't be wild in the Caro-Kann? You can play move like g2-g4 and be as crazy as you want. I guess this cheap trick isn't so bad if GM's are losing against it.

Oblamov64
BronsteinPawn wrote:

Forgot to click the unfollow button.

Chesster, dont waste time with that kiddo.

The OP has  a crap brain (if he even has one) and does not seem to understand that +.3 is not an advantage, and that we are not computers.

Well, unlike you, not all of us blindly follow computer lines. The line you gave gives white a half a point advantage. You didn't even mention the fact Rfb1 is possible.

Oblamov64
pfren wrote:

 

That's interesting, but I'm a queen up in that position, so I'd rather take white. But you are right, Black's position isn't easy to exploit, though I still think White is better off not taking the b pawn at all. Taking the d pawn seems to be better.

Oblamov64
tubebender wrote:

Thank you pfren! You are the voice of reason and are able to diplomatically even tell people that they are wrong in a nice way.

Well, he didn't say the idea is wrong. he just suggested an improvement. This line has been played by numerous grandmasters. 

Oblamov64

Honestly, I make a post about an opening and the first reply is "this opening sucks tbh".

Are chess players a bunch of autistic children? Then a rant about me being a retard? 

CK_1886

Isn't 6...Qxd4 7.Nf3 Qg4 as chesster mentioned a much simpler way to handle this opening? Sure if you have the time to analyze all the ins and outs of 7...Qxb2 then go ahead, but 6...Qxd4 seems much more practical to me. 7...Qa6 looks like another good try for black as pfren mentioned.

Oblamov64
CK_1886 wrote:

Isn't 6...Qxd4 7.Nf3 Qg4 as chesster mentioned a much simpler way to handle this opening? Sure if you have the time to analyze all the ins and outs of 7...Qxb2 then go ahead, but 6...Qxd4 seems much more practical to me. 7...Qa6 looks like another good try for black as pfren mentioned.

I agree. It looks like Black's best response. There's no real way to kick the queen from the square, and black might be able to start a kingside attack in the future. Pfren's idea is good also. I didn't even consider 7...Qa6 8. e6!, but I personally think just taking the d pawn is the best refutation. I mean what's to stop Black from play f6? Anyways, still worth playing as a surprise.

chesster3145

Ok. Hopefully we can all be friends now happy.png

Oblamov64
chesster3145 wrote:

Ok. Hopefully we can all be friends now

Agreed.

Loch-and-Quay

h5 is definitely the best response to 4.h4 but people will only play it if they know it.

Loch-and-Quay

I've had 2 opponents otb both 2000+ play 4...e6 and lose almost immediately. h6 is the most common response I find and white gets a comfortable edge after 5.g4 and often an early f4 too. Love this opening!

Loch-and-Quay

If I was a caro player as black I would play 3...c5 against the advance variation to avoid this nightmare

followthebuzzard

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2007/caro-adv-h4.htm