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Is anything better for me than the Parham?

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TonyH

hmm I might have to talk to Pfren about his feeling with the Danish. The mainline results in an endgame that GM Muller I believe says is equal. (I have a book that has great analysis on the danish, scotch gambit etc but its formated in a way that makes my head hurt and never became popular because of that)

a few games with the KG by top 10 players ...

most recently Carlsen was 2800+





TonyH

I agree it was funny. Carlsen admitted it as a surprise weapon because he was having a tough time in the tournament at that point and used it to shift the momenteum. It would be intertesting to know what he would have played in the lines you mentioned but I am sure he had something in mind.

TonyH

if black tries to keep the pawns its dangerous. 

the critical line that I know of that sounded the death of the danish is

Pfren might know something I dont but black has a lot of risks in other lines that I am aware of

beardedchicken

The Parham is amateurish. It doesn't help develop enough pieces and gives black the initiative.

TonyH

In Danish Dynamite by GM Muller and FM Voigt the endgame after Bxf7+ is considered dynamically balanced. Muller is a well known endgame expert.

Its not a chicken line its just a line that equalizes. Why allow white all the fun and defend against tons of threats? Studying this is what taught me about  the need for black to play ...d5 against white's e4 pawn.

xitvono

Parham attack is a bad opening, and there is a refutation of it. Black plays 2 .. Ke7!. The point of this move is that black wants to play Qe8 and Kd8 to switch the king and queen. This covers both f7 and e5 while allowing the bishop on f8 to come out freely.

CHCL

@xitvono

       Love that idea! Going to try that sometimes!!!

            P.S. That is a joke. Very funny though.

waffllemaster

lol :)

Reminds me though, that's why a lot of explanation doesn't instantly make people strong players.  Annotations are totally arbitrary, and you can see it when a beginner annotates every move (sounds exactly like above).

whatupyodog

The sicillian is for homos and the only reason anyone would play it is to avoid the parham. I prefer e5 though because black may play the KG and then black has an automatic win.

whatupyodog

But, the point in all this is that the parham is the greatest opening ever and is an automatic win for white. 

The_Gavinator

Actually the sicilian is for people who dont' like to get Parhamed. If the Parham attack didn't exist I'd probably play e5.

whatupyodog

I know but i risk it because white may play the KG and then black has an automatic win.

The_Gavinator

yes but there's the parham, an instant loss. In the sicilian, there's a move called the grand-prix attack, its 1. e4 c5 2. f4, you can pretty much gurantee a win after that too.

Ben_Dubuque

The Gavinator will not accept challanges from us because he is stupid enough to think that we will use an engine to prove that our opening is better, I would never use a piece of silicon in a grudge match

whatupyodog

You pwn IM pfren but the parham is definately one of the best openings.

The_Gavinator

Pfren, you're pretty cool so maybe you can give me advice. What do you think would be an aggressive non-gambit? I was looking at the veresov, but that seems to only fight for a slight positional gain. The Parham fights for material or mate, the fried liver fights for material with the fork, then fights for mate after Nxf7, another I like is the vienna gambit, where white gains a large positional gain after exf4, e5. However, that only works if they play 2... Nf6, if not it usually transposes to that giuoco piano crap. What do you think is a good aggressive non-gambit?

Ben_Dubuque

The scotch, The Open sicilian, most Ruy Lopez variations, you just have to play agressively, if you want to garuntee agressive play, then gambits are the way to go, the Evan's seems right up your alley, positionally sound, tactically it makes sence, and you should look up the people who have used it

The_Gavinator

I already play the sicilian because it is forced upon me after c5. The Ruy is closed, as is the scotch, and I'd like to not give away a pawn on the evan's gambit.

whatupyodog

Its funny that you think any line in the ruy lopez is aggressive because that is probably the most passive opening there is. Also, the scotch has maybe one aggresive line in it that is rarely played, but it is aggressive for black, not white most of the time.

Ben_Dubuque

no the most passive opening is the QGD, and actaully the ruy is agressive, even if the marshall attack is not played, you just have to make it agressive, it gives you the tools to do that, but you have to use them.

and the scotch I havn't played, but from what I have seen, it is agressive.

(I played in a vote chess game with it, and tactics were everywhere)

I don't know why you guys nay say gambits, the short term is giving up a pawn, the longterm has much better the thing is you again have the tools to make it agressive, but it doesn't garuntee agressive.

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