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pdve

Whats your opening e4 or d4 and why??

ponz111

It is said that 1. d4  d5  2. c4 is the best opening per stats.

Insanistis

I play both, d4 to avoid caro kann/french when I know my opponent plays it.

varelse1

1.e4 has to be best.

After 1.d4, white cant even play 2.Qh5!

What's up with that??Surprised

Insanistis
PinkMistzAsf wrote:
Insanistis wrote:

I play both, d4 to avoid caro kann/french when I know my opponent plays it.

If I were a caro/french player I'd play 1...c6/e6 regardless...

True. Yet when my opponent plays c6/e6 I don't like to have a pawn on e4.

GarryAlekhine

i play both but d4 has closed position that i like it.but i dont think d4 be better that e4.every opening has its trait and it depends what do you know about it!

Swindlers_List

1.Nf3!!

Based on what my opponent does I can transpose to 1.d4 1.e4 or 1.c4 openings, while avoiding the ones I dislike.

Yeue

I'd say E4 is the better TV channel and opening move!

pdve

noleryer, i think kasparov would be really pissed to hear that.

dzikus

I think they are equally good in general.

The reason that 1.d4 has better stats might be that 1.e4 is more popular among weaker players and they "spoil" the statistics.

I play both but my personal stats with 1.e4 are better. However I sometimes employ 1.d4 against weaker players because their knowledge of closed positions is inferior

divingscence

e4 ofcourse!

why?!

Like Fischer said "Best by test"

Oraoradeki

d4 seems to be a better weapon to use in chess.com because most of us here has an 1. e4 fetish. 

Otherwise, I completely agree with Dzikus

jonnin

the only real issue is level of play and the opponent's response.   e4 is overplayed at all levels and *every* player over 1300 or so has some sort of valid response to it.  d4 gives more trouble to low-medium rated players simply because it is seen a little less often (largely because most mid ranked players prefer open boards and fancy tactics).  For a long time my opening  was queen's pawn regardless of what the opponent did, leading me to spend some time learning the scandanavian...

I think above 1600 though, they equalize as players know better responses to both. 

ThrillerFan
noleryer wrote:

D4 is far worse than e4

ABSOLUTE BALONEY!

It was observed by NewInChess.com in 2000 that across over 730,000 games that opened with one of those two moves, that White scored 54.1% with 1.e4 and 56.1% with 1.d4.  The last 13 years have not changed these percentages drastically by any stretch of the imagination with the number of games played.  Worst case scanerio is that 1.d4 currently leads by maybe 1.8% instead of 2%, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's over a 2% lead now-a-days.

1.d4 - Best by Test, AND STATISTICS!

Scottrf
ThrillerFan wrote:
noleryer wrote:

D4 is far worse than e4

ABSOLUTE BALONEY!

It was observed by NewInChess.com in 2000 that across over 730,000 games that opened with one of those two moves, that White scored 54.1% with 1.e4 and 56.1% with 1.d4.  The last 13 years have not changed these percentages drastically by any stretch of the imagination with the number of games played.  Worst case scanerio is that 1.d4 currently leads by maybe 1.8% instead of 2%, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's over a 2% lead now-a-days.

1.d4 - Best by Test, AND STATISTICS!

And if you adjust for the fact that beginners play e4 more often and are less good at keeping the first move advantage?

bean_Fischer
divingscence wrote:

e4 ofcourse!

why?!

Like Fischer said "Best by test"

Of course, if you are the real Fischer!

bean_Fischer
Scottrf wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
noleryer wrote:

D4 is far worse than e4

1.d4 - Best by Test, AND STATISTICS!

And if you adjust for the fact that beginners play e4 more often and are less good at keeping the first move advantage?

Beginners play 1. e4 because they don't know 1. d4, c4, Nf6 are that good. That's why they are called beginners.

I seldom play 1.e4 because I like the others so much that make me think why 1.e4?

bean_Fischer
noleryer wrote:

d4 c4 and Nf6 arent good

I wont argue with you. I have so much success with them and no success e4. You can say the same thing the other way around.

bean_Fischer

How do crush e4?

 



bgianis
noleryer wrote:

d4 c4 and Nf6 arent good

You mean Nf3,don't you?