Is the Benko gambit refuted?

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Sea_TurtIe

i am a benko fan and have been working on it for awhile, and i think i accidentally refuted it

the b file is completely plugged, the c4 square will be perched on by the knight, and black simply has 0 play for his pawn. i think Qb4 is the only way to survive but it seems that white still gets an easy game with his superior activity and a passed pawn

did i really just refute this?

Sea_TurtIe
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

There's nothing like u refuted it....this is called the king walk variation which is great for white but i think black and defend because once u turn off the engine and play on ur own, u will lose ur advantage

white has a super easy time here

pleewo

I don’t know about the Benko, but it’s a very highly respected and played opening. I don’t think it can be refuted or anything of the sort otherwise I think this would become common knowledge

Mazetoskylo

This line is known since ages, and while it is unpleasant for Black (because he is only playing for the draw) it's quite OK, and far from refuting anything.

There are a couple of other other Benko lines which are more testing.

itay72
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

There's nothing like u refuted it....this is called the king walk variation which is great for white but i think black and defend because once u turn off the engine and play on ur own, u will lose ur advantage

white has a super easy time here

It's obviously better for white, as it usually is in the Benko gambit, but it looks like black can still try to press on the queenside.
Ilampozhil25
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

There's nothing like u refuted it....this is called the king walk variation which is great for white but i think black and defend because once u turn off the engine and play on ur own, u will lose ur advantage

theres no rule that says the winning player will lose their advantage.....for all u know black could also blunder.....so if white is better he will win more.....besides it is harder for black to defend......and it is well known that the defender has a harder time to play

you realise how annoying it is to read your style of posting

it honestly sounds like rambling

MaetsNori

In the original position shown, White's a-pawn is a permanent liability, because the b-pawn can never reach b4 to support the a-pawn's advance (due to black's c5 pawn).

This means that the a and b pawns should never be able to advance safely (if Black plays well), nor can the pawns connect past the 4th rank. Black is able to apply permanent pressure from the front of the pawns, and/or blockade.

Black is technically down a pawn, but White's queenside pawns are effectively crippled, so it balances out.

And White's passed pawn is (unfortunately for White) on the a-file, which is the most drawish of files for a passed pawn to be on, especially since White has no light-square bishop to hit the a8 square.

CrystalChandeliers

The Benko's not dead. It just smells a bit.

pleewo

You can’t trash talk the ultimate trash talker smh 🤦‍♂️

pleewo

Compliment to you fr

Ilampozhil25
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

You can’t trash talk the ultimate trash talker smh 🤦‍♂️

oh i forgot that oops

Ilampozhil25
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:
Ilampozhil25 wrote:
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

There's nothing like u refuted it....this is called the king walk variation which is great for white but i think black and defend because once u turn off the engine and play on ur own, u will lose ur advantage

theres no rule that says the winning player will lose their advantage.....

disprove this

for all u know black could also blunder.....

this is just true, both players blunder equally

so if white is better he will win more.....

same here

besides it is harder for black to defend......

it is harder to play the defending sides and this is a well agreed truth (see next sentence)

and it is well known that the defender has a harder time to play

you realise how annoying it is to read your style of posting

it honestly sounds like rambling

Lol it's annoying as much i as i am annoyed by ur italics 😂😂....and regarding the advantage part,i want to ask u these simple questions, do u know what is refutation?

something where a player is objectively winning, and the opponent cant avoid it, because their opening is refuted

Do u know how hard chess it?

yes? it is

Do u know how hard is it to convert an advantage on the board?

thats why anti-not resigning threads are sorta too much lol

Ask these questions to yourself and u will understand why u are wrong ( or u might not if u are a dumb***)

asked them to myself

i dont understand

i never said this is a refutation

i just said that when someone is better, its not that they will lose their advantage

i proved one of your statements wrong

stop putting stuff in my mouth

Ilampozhil25

read #16 now and disprove my statement instead of putting things in my mouth

pleewo

Little hard to read ngl

Ilampozhil25

yeah

my point: trashtalker implied i said it was a refutation

i didnt

so "i am wrong" is not a conclusion to be made

unless trashtalker somehow says that the defender is far easier to play than the attacker, which would make all gambiteers sweat

or leave now and understand that we are talking about different things

Ilampozhil25
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

I was replying to OP about how it's not an refutation

aah make that mistake a lot

and still no u didn't prove me any wrong

ok...

because i am talking about converting the advantage

which is hard

no harder than defending +1 positions where its objectively a draw

...even IMs and other titled players are unable to convert+2 advantages ( even super GMs in world champion although i admit they are under pressure)

yes

it's another thing knowing that u are better and it's another thing to convert that advantage....i have been there myself where i am +2 after move 10 but still manage to throw it and draw/lose the game

agreed.... but then take a position, its +1, objectively drawable, and draw it

how hard is that? probably harder than winning the +1

its harder to play a +1 as the worse side than the better side, because one mistake and you are lost when the other way one mistake and its "only" 0.00

youre not saying that in +1 positions, as a whole, the worse side makes less mistakes, are you

if not, my argument works

Ilampozhil25
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:
Ilampozhil25 wrote:
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

There's nothing like u refuted it....this is called the king walk variation which is great for white but i think black and defend because once u turn off the engine and play on ur own, u will lose ur advantage

theres no rule that says the winning player will lose their advantage.....for all u know black could also blunder.....so if white is better he will win more.....besides it is harder for black to defend......and it is well known that the defender has a harder time to play

you realise how annoying it is to read your style of posting

it honestly sounds like rambling

Lol it's annoying as much i as i am annoyed by ur italics 😂😂....and regarding the advantage part,i want to ask u these simple questions, do u know what is refutation? Do u know how hard chess it? Do u know how hard is it to convert an advantage on the board? Ask these questions to yourself and u will understand why u are wrong ( or u might not if u are a dumb***)

oh wait whoda thunk you were literally replying to me

in no world is this comment directed to op

Sea_TurtIe

ok

many lines in the benko are very unclear on whos better: for example this position

but also i belive to avoid the Nb5 ideas black can do this

removedusername8329742834

Yeah, I this really bad. White gets a big advantage.

Ilampozhil25

i belive that seaturtie needs to check their spelling