Is the Main line of the Fried Liver wrong?

My apologies if my comments to you (the truth) offended you.

At your suggestion I googled your name. This is what I found:

“Polar bear palaver: Black list of known chess cheaters”

polarbearpalaver.blogspot.com/2011/06/blacklist-of-active-know

June 30, 2011 ...pfren. Panayotis Frendzas, retired IM Big bragger and chess.com forum troll. Promoter of LSS chess server and computer-assisted correspondence chess.”

lol good one

A bit more research would have you led to some forums suggesting that pfren used computers in centaur chess (which is legal, even if Polar-Bear does not like this form of play), and the corresponding games were used as "proof" of pfren's "cheating".

Your insistance to claim you know personally a lot of GMs is quite annoying ; frankly, few believe you, and less care.

@ Irontiger: No not really like that.

Factly, I was using correspondence databases (since there is no rule here banning them) which go many moves down the opening, and all moves in them are computer-generated.

And in any case, being a rather advanced centaur player (currently rated around 2400) I would rather use one of the many anticheat scripts (most of them very hard to detect) if I wanted to cheat here...

No need to explain further, as the thread would be closed by the staff. If you want more details, just PM me.

A relatively unknown variation of the Fried Liver is 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Ncb4 9.Bb3!? c6 10.a3 Na6 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.d4 Be7 (exd4? 13.Bf4 +/-) 13.O-O Rf8 14.Qg3?! (Qe4 Qd6 15.dxe5 Qxe5 16.Bxd5+ Kd6 17.Bxb7 Bxb7 18.Qxb7 Nc5 =) Rf5 15.Qxg7 Bf6! 16.Qxh7 Qh8 17.Qxh8 Bxh8 18.dxe5 Rxe5 19.Be3 b6 20.Rad1 Bb7 21.Rfe1 Kf7 22.c4 Nc7 =/+ Black will use his extra piece to fix White's Kingside pawns. In a Centaur game, Black would win this consistently.

[I have just found it.]

No.

Pfren's online chess play here was contaminated by computers - beyond any reasonable doubt. His lame excuse (databases) is just laughable.

Yes, I despise him and rightfully. For me, he is no IM anymore, but cheater, liar and unbelievably cheeky troll. As such, he is unworthy to discuss chess with true chess player like me: he doesn't belong to chess elite (like he poses), but the worst scum.

It goes without saying I expect others shall treat him the same way.

8-month necro for that rant? Woa.

YOU are a "true chess player"? This is the joke of the century...

IMHO you are just a narcissist patzer with zero manners, and hardly something more than that.

Regards.

Unbelievable impertinence...

Yes, of course I am true chess player, unlike you. Now go and embrace Borislav Ivanov, Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson and other notorious cheating liars, because this is the class you belong into.

I can hardly define "my class", but yours is surely enough in the Forrest Gump league.

First of all, you aren't competent to evaluate anybody or anything in chess, because your actual class and credibility are under zero: behind all other classes including complete patzers. If you wonder why, the answer is simple: because all cheaters belong to this special sub-class.

This was really dumb the OP tried to generate some new ideas, maybe eliminate some doubts and see if there are any other possibilities that have been missed, who cares if he used chess engine, maybe engine has a different opinion nobody considered before, I find the response of some people on this threat very dissapointing

As you can see if you read the first page of this thread with a board, or another of the OP's numerous threads about the same opening, the OP probably did not use his computer on all lines (human players found significant improvements).

That would not be a problem if he consequently did not (1) deny that his analysis was faulty with any bad faith necessary and (2) insist that the moves he produced were some top engine's.

(IT) (human players found significant improvements)....they do that quite often, don't we ? Silicon-based analysis is pathetically unimaginative. Rely on the infinitely creative organic-based brain gawd gave us......

Sorry, my formulation was misleading:

Human players like me (not even titled or close to it), found improvements when merely looking at the moves on a board, without putting any effort.

Pfren used engines here, in rated games at chess.com, this is what I am talking about, not some LSS, where he also played and where it may be tolerated. It was plain cheating and if I weren't sure he had violated the rules, I would admire him as master and opening expert with specific sense of humour, as some uninformed idlers still do. Unfortunately under current circumstances his sarcasm is pure insult and impertinence.

If anyone wants to claim a title, he should lead by example in fair play. Pfren failed in this regard.

On top of that, Pfren tells a lie when he makes excuses about centaur DB. It looks reasonable, but it cannot be true.

That's too little or too much.

As much as I dislike the dogmatic waffle that Phren uses AT TIMES, I am afraid I dislike the constant meaningless computer complied nonsense of Sloughterchess even more.

The problem is that this thread is based upon the supposition that any quarter serious player who plays the 2 Knights would be in their right mind to play 5...Nxd5. Really??

No matter how many times you jam a line through one of Chessbase's binary demons or drop names of players, people will always trust the centuries of practice of any opening over the internittent use of a chess engine by a clearly crazy person over a few decades.

Back on-topic.

From practical viewpoint, Lolli is better than Fried Liver, because it gives white better game without risk. Fried Liver may be good, but if black knows theory and defends accurately, white struggles to maintain compensation for sacrificed piece.

My advice would be: scrap it altogether. As black, just employ Traxler or do not re-take on d5. If you want to avoid heavily theory-infested lines, play Petrov, Italian or Hungarian defence. As white, learn both, Ruy and King's Gambit. Ruy is basic stone for white's 1. e4 repertoire, it shouldn't be avoided and fully replaced neither with Italian or Scotch, because it is necessary for learning slower, positional play.