Is the Traxler Variation Unsound?

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Robert_New_Alekhine
kiloNewton wrote:

 

that seems pre-engine era analysis! according to to stockfish 10... O-O is drawish

 



engines can often be incorrect. Read Silman's Second to last ( I believe) article.

kiloNewton
Robert0905 wrote:
kiloNewton wrote:

 

that seems pre-engine era analysis! according to to stockfish 10... O-O is drawish

engines can often be incorrect. Read Silman's Second to last ( I believe) article.

where, did he analysed 10...O-O 11. Rh4 e4+ 12. Kg2 d5 13.Bb3 Rxf7  line?

Robert_New_Alekhine
kiloNewton wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:
kiloNewton wrote:

 

that seems pre-engine era analysis! according to to stockfish 10... O-O is drawish

engines can often be incorrect. Read Silman's Second to last ( I believe) article.

where, did he analysed 10...O-O11. Rh4e4+12. Kg2d513. Bb3Rxf7  line?

http://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-engines-are-not-your-friend

kiloNewton

>chess-engines-are-not-your-friend

but they can refute a refutation (proven) Smile

The_Ghostess_Lola

....can they ever !

Robert_New_Alekhine

sometimes. 

Robert_New_Alekhine

but it's not clear if this is a refutation.

kiloNewton
Robert0905 wrote:

but it's not clear if this is a refutation.

that variation is playable for black, though extemely unbalanced...

Robert_New_Alekhine
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Robert_New_Alekhine

kiloNewton, instead of going into that line, it's simpler just to play Bxf7+

kiloNewton
Robert0905 wrote:

kiloNewton, instead of going into that line, it's simpler just to play Bxf7+

can we say that 4...Bc5 if refuted by 5.Bxf7!      ? 

pfren
kiloNewton wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:

but it's not clear if this is a refutation.

that variation is playable for black, though extemely unbalanced...

That variation is close to a draw (white may force it if he wishes so), but then only an idiot would try refuting the Traxler with 5.Nxf7. The line is totally impractical to play OTB, even if you memorize a great deal of moves.

As I said, I prefer Buecker's 5.d4. In the main line, it is quite alike the Bxf7+ lines, with a difference: the d-pawns are missing, and this favours white (Black's king is more exposed at e7).

Robert_New_Alekhine

END OF DISCUSSION: VERDICT:TRAXLER IS UNSOUND, REFUTED WITH 5.BXF7+ 

END OF THIS FORUM. 

Robert_New_Alekhine

or thread, whatever you want to  call it

pfren
Robert0905 wrote:

END OF DISCUSSION: VERDICT:TRAXLER IS UNSOUND, REFUTED WITH 5.BXF7+ 

END OF THIS FORUM. 

The definitive refutation of the Traxler is 1.d4: Black cannot even apply it.

kiloNewton
pfren wrote:
kiloNewton wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:

but it's not clear if this is a refutation.

that variation is playable for black, though extemely unbalanced...

That variation is close to a draw (white may force it if he wishes so), but then only an idiot would try refuting the Traxler with 5.Nxf7. The line is totally impractical to play OTB, even if you memorize a great deal of moves.

As I said, I prefer Buecker's 5.d4. In the main line, it is quite alike the Bxf7+ lines, with a difference: the d-pawns are missing, and this favours white (Black's king is more exposed at e7).

from post #31

this line is very good for white.

pfren
kiloNewton wrote:

this line is very good for white.

...and even better for Black, after 9...Qxd6 10.c3 Bg4 11.Qa4+ Nd7.

I will repeat for the last time that only an idiot would possibly try refuting the Traxler with such messy means.

Robert_New_Alekhine
pfren wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:

END OF DISCUSSION: VERDICT:TRAXLER IS UNSOUND, REFUTED WITH 5.BXF7+ 

END OF THIS FORUM. 

The definitive refutation of the Traxler is 1.d4: Black cannot even apply it.

lol

Robert_New_Alekhine

No reason to post any more.

Robert_New_Alekhine

Bxf7 and white wins a pawn.