If you are looking for a book on the English, I would highly recommend "An Idiot Proof Chess Opening Repertoire" by Graham Burgess. He focuses a lot more on the ideas rather than telling you what titled player 1 and titled player 2 played 5 years ago. Also will give you a repertoire for Black if you are interested
Is there a name for this English/Reti setup? Looking for resources and games to study.
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Oct 25, 2022
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Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Look up the Katalimov Sicilian and apply it as white reversed, which is the set-up, ideas and plans you have there.
Your playing a Katalimov Sicilian one tempo up.
Bobby Fischer even played that lined transposed from 1.b3.
Ive been playing that line for 4 months.
Isn't this type of thing where white plays a black opening up a tempo or wastes a tempo in the opening to get a more favorable position becoming more common? Transposition seems like a really good way to beat engine prep nowadays.
I don’t know if transpositions is a common thing but I like using it for achieving a preferable position uncontested or avoiding certain lines against d5 or e5.
As an example, I like to play the Dragon position thru the Reti or English move order but prefer the Reti move order because I takeaway an early e5 which makes life so much easier.
With respects to the engine, I do run my repertoire against the engine to make sure they are “engine approved”.
Update: So yesterday, I posted this same question on r/chess so that more people end up seeing it and someone left a really useful comment that I also want to share here:
I'm also going to change the topic name a bit, so that this thread will be easier for someone else to find in the future.
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Isn't this type of thing where white plays a black opening up a tempo or wastes a tempo in the opening to get a more favorable position becoming more common? Transposition seems like a really good way to beat engine prep nowadays.
This is true for lines where black plays ...e5 and we get into a reversed Sicilian. Also, I totally agree w/ you that playing black openings a tempo up is a good idea. Not just for engine prep, but also for doubling the rate that you can gain experience in a particular structure.
Oct 25, 2022
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Not_v2 wrote:
Update: So yesterday, I posted this same question on r/chess so that more people end up seeing it and someone left a really useful comment that I also want to share here:
I'm also going to change the topic name a bit, so that this thread will be easier for someone else to find in the future.
Interesting information.
My point was opening up with c4, your opponent has so many responses so be prepared to have a winning plan; the Katalimov is a solid structure to play in most cases.
From my experience, Nf6 and e5 will be the most common responses. The CK, you can see it is the 6th most responsive reply and even then the winning percentage is poor at the master level.
Chuck639 wrote:
From my experience, Nf6 and e5 will be the most common responses. The CK, you can see it is the 6th most responsive reply and even then the winning percentage is poor at the master level.
Yeah, starting w/ 1. Nf3 or 1. c4 is the main decision imo. I was originally looking at the Reti move order since it's more flexible and more likely to throw opponents off early. There's a tradeoff. In general, if you're trying to play English structures and start w/ 1. c4, then you need to be ready for 1. ...e5 reversed Sicilian lines. People at club level tend to struggle as white in them, and thus are better off avoiding it w/ 1. Nf3. The downside is that if black opts for a KID setup, then you lose access to all of the most aggressive plans involving f3 or f4 or Ne2. Since I play the Sicilian, I know how to handle 1. c4 e5 decently well (which the Katalimov and e6 Sicilians often mirror). It's more important that I keep the option to transpose into one of the more aggressive systems against the King's Indian by not committing anything to f3 too early. This way, I can get attacking positions whether black opts for any of the main responses.
Oct 25, 2022
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Not_v2 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
From my experience, Nf6 and e5 will be the most common responses. The CK, you can see it is the 6th most responsive reply and even then the winning percentage is poor at the master level.
Yeah, starting w/ 1. Nf3 or 1. c4 is the main decision imo. I was originally looking at the Reti move order since it's more flexible and more likely to throw opponents off early. There's a tradeoff. In general, if you're trying to play English structures and start w/ 1. c4, then you need to be ready for 1. ...e5 reversed Sicilian lines. People at club level tend to struggle as white in them, and thus are better off avoiding it w/ 1. Nf3. The downside is that if black opts for a KID setup, then you lose access to all of the most aggressive plans involving f3 or f4 or Ne2. Since I play the Sicilian, I know how to handle 1. c4 e5 decently well (which the Katalimov and e6 Sicilians often mirror). It's more important that I keep the option to transpose into one of the more aggressive systems against the King's Indian by not committing anything to f3 too early. This way, I can get attacking positions whether black opts for any of the main responses.
You’re spot on. There’s concessions to be made between c4 vs Nf3 and certain lines appeal by winning strategies.
As an example, I do miss Ne2 as I use to play the Botvinnik System vs KID, Modern and Indian Game with success but I am enjoying the dynamic play in the Catalan for now.
When 1.Nf3, f5 or even 1.Nf3, c6; I consider 2.c4 and transpose to that Katalimov line because it’s just so easy to play and strategically strong.
I guess the important things are understanding the ideas and having a plan.
Look up the Katalimov Sicilian and apply it as white reversed, which is the set-up, ideas and plans you have there.
Your playing a Katalimov Sicilian one tempo up.
Bobby Fischer even played that lined transposed from 1.b3.
Ive been playing that line for 4 months.
Isn't this type of thing where white plays a black opening up a tempo or wastes a tempo in the opening to get a more favorable position becoming more common? Transposition seems like a really good way to beat engine prep nowadays.