d4 c6? , e4
c6? is a move solid , extremly defence and VERSATILE but solid
no , you can't punish c6?
Is there a way to punish 1. d4 c6?
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Aug 21, 2020
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#23
1demonKAIO wrote:
d4 c6? , e4
c6? is a move solid , extremly defence and VERSATILE but solid
no , you can't punish c6?
1.d4 c6 2.e4 d5 is the Caro-Kann, one of the most solid openings in all of chess and an opening championed by several World Champions.
Aug 23, 2020
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#24
1demonKAIO wrote:
d4 c6? , e4
c6? is a move solid , extremly defence and VERSATILE but solid
no , you can't punish c6?
why did you put c6 with a question mark?
Nov 17, 2021
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#25
is 1. d4 c6 2. Bf4 Qg6 pointless? Just respond b3 and be done with it, or is there Qxb2 poison pawn trap opportunity? Or Vaganian maybe?
Nov 18, 2021
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#26
genacgenac wrote:
is 1. d4 c6 2. Bf4 Qg6 pointless? Just respond b3 and be done with it, or is there Qxb2 poison pawn trap opportunity? Or Vaganian maybe?
I think you mean Qb6. It seems off to me- black tries to nab some pawns with his queen on move 2. Nd2 should offer compensation or Qb1 will work too.
b3 is a so-so move, but since black isn’t developed it would be ok
You can transpose to the Caro-Kann or the Slav but if you really want to punish it you can play a London System where Black's c6 is almost useless and he would much rather play c5 instead
Nov 18, 2021
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#28
What about
1. d4 c6
2. Bf4 Qb6
3. b3 is the obvious move, but database has just a few instances and white wins none. What's best way to monopolize the center? Is this a Vaganian Gambit:
3. Nc3 Qxb2
4. Bd2 Qb6 attack d4, or d5
5. e4 or f4 to gobble center -- or Rb1 trap Q? I don't see how to make that happen
pfren wrote:
No, there isn't something special. White may try playing either a London system proper, or 2.Nf3 followed by Bf4, e3 and c4, since a QGD formation with ...c6 is slightly passive against this setup. But even like that, it's nothing important.
Still, I fail to see WHY Black should start with 1...c6 instead of the natural 1...d5. I can't think of a way to gain something.
to avoid the London !
pfren wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
to avoid the London !
How the heck you avoid the London with 1...c6?
by delaying the d7-d5 pawn push forever
Nov 20, 2021
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#31
adityasaxena4 wrote:
pfren wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
to avoid the London !
How the heck you avoid the London with 1...c6?
by delaying the d7-d5 pawn push forever
That doesn't avoid the London System. It just means Black will play a setup against it that doesn't involve ...d7-d5.
OldPatzerMike wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
pfren wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
to avoid the London !
How the heck you avoid the London with 1...c6?
by delaying the d7-d5 pawn push forever
That doesn't avoid the London System. It just means Black will play a setup against it that doesn't involve ...d7-d5.
If black can get h6 and g5 in that setup then that's not the London !
Nov 21, 2021
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#33
While choosing the Fantasy variation makes some sense and there are some elite players who try it occasionally, if Black knows you have a favorite line of the Fantasy they could play c6 to encourage you to play that precise line.
I suspect the Fantasy variation isn’t a great repertoire choice for most people.
Optimissed wrote:
I suppose the way to go is into the Caro-Kann Fantasy Variation. Since I know how to play against the Veresov-Richter with 4. f3, I would probably know what I was doing, since I used to use a variation with 4. ...c6. Many others wouldn't have a clue and it could be good for 1. d4 players to study it and occasionally bring it out against 1. d4 ...c6.
True, you can choose the Fantasy Caro-Kann but they might either play 2.e5 (like I do) or 2.Nf6 (which I'm yet to try) which transposes to the Caro-Kann Defence: Masi Variation which sounds completely uncommon and if 2.Nc3 then 2.d6 is a transposition to the Czech Pirc
after d4 c6 e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 d6 it is a transposition to the Modern Variation of the Alekhine Defence
Dec 14, 2021
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#36
adityasaxena4 wrote:
OldPatzerMike wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
pfren wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
to avoid the London !
How the heck you avoid the London with 1...c6?
by delaying the d7-d5 pawn push forever
That doesn't avoid the London System. It just means Black will play a setup against it that doesn't involve ...d7-d5.
If black can get h6 and g5 in that setup then that's not the London !
Why would you play h6 g5, that’s just bad
Dec 14, 2021
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#37
adityasaxena4 wrote:
after d4 c6 e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 d6 it is a transposition to the Modern Variation of the Alekhine Defence
The modern is after e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5
theres no c6
B1ZMARK wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:
after d4 c6 e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 d6 it is a transposition to the Modern Variation of the Alekhine Defence
The modern is after e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5
theres no c6
According to explorer database there's a Modern Variation of the Alekhine Defence with 4.c6
that's the Modern I'm talking about
Also , h6 and g5 both gains space on the kingside and can very well be used for a future kingside counterattack plus it makes the bishop on f4 look silly and have to move
Dec 14, 2021
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#39
There is no punishment of 1.d4 c6 but you have to be a Slav and Caro player. Also it is not a very good way to play for the full point.
What if your opponent plays 2.c3? Then you probably get a very boring symmetrical game.
This is a whole opening system called the de Bruycker. Black usually fianchettos his King's bishop., & pushes d5 later if at all.
It's interesting, it reminds me of the Pirc in which black sometimes plays Nb8-a6-c7.