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Arkafan

Hello all,

I was playing OTB yesterday in a regional tournament.

On round 5/5, my opponent made a mistake in move 2. This allowed me to play an EVIL trick which I have never known/seen before!!!

You have to remember though, that when Qe2 is white's move, black can defend the knight with a pawn. However, attacking the knight directly with a PAWN will ensure that black's knight moves, and the trick can be played.

It is a clever discovered attack, that can only be activated when your opponent makes a mistake. Similar to the 4 and 2 move checkmates.

Now the question I have is: Has this already been discovered?!?!?

duck_and_cover

google Petroff Defence

SmyslovFan

2...Nf6 isn't a mistake, 3....Nxe4 immediately is. And of course, 4...Nc5?? loses the queen.

Tjornan

Yes it's actually a legitimate defense from black. Your opponent just played it incorrectly. It is known as the petroff defense, and is known for its drawish tendencies at the higher level of play :)



duck_and_cover

... and, btw, 3...Nxe4 isn't so bad, if Black plays 4...Qe7

Arkafan

@ GeorgeBlackChess even if she blocked with the bishop the queen would've still been killed.

Arkafan

Thank you all for your input. I didn't know about Petroffs defense. Thanks for showing me how to play it as black since I already knew how to play it as white.

plutonia
SmyslovFan wrote:

2...Nf6 isn't a mistake, 3....Nxe4 immediately is. And of course, 4...Nc5?? loses the queen.

3...Nxe4 is not a mistake, it's a playable line even if of course not the best.

 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/petroff-defense-with-3-nxe5-nxe4

dragonair234
Arkafan wrote:

Hello all,

I was playing OTB yesterday in a regional tournament.

On round 5/5, my opponent made a mistake in move 2. This allowed me to play an EVIL trick which I have never known/seen before!!!

 

You have to remember though, that when Qe2 is white's move, black can defend the knight with a pawn. However, attacking the knight directly with a PAWN will ensure that black's knight moves, and the trick can be played.

It is a clever discovered attack, that can only be activated when your opponent makes a mistake. Similar to the 4 and 2 move checkmates.

Now the question I have is: Has this already been discovered?!?!?

Whoaaa and you won just like that? That's awesome!

Arkafan

I know right! By winning this I qualified for the state chess tournament in march.

PhilipN

Was this the Chess for Success regional tournament?  Because I played in the open side-tournament for adults at the one in Coquille.

PhilipN

Coneheadzombie and GeorgeBlackChess and anyone who thinks he should've blocked with the bishop:

If he blocks with the bishop, the white knight takes the black queen!

PhilipN

Whoops, it's "she" not "he" when referring to the opponent--unless the opponent was a guy named Leanna!

Scottrf

No.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=59368116

chessgdt

apparently not lol

waffllemaster

That's one of the first traps I ever learned, and likely one of the best known opening errors in all of chess.  Sorry to disappoint you :)


Not that I know everything.  Messing around in the Ruy it occured to me in one speed game, why doesn't white just play an early d4?  And I found what was probably a trap known for decades by my opponent...



Danny_BLT

no

blasterdragon

Nf6 is known to be a solid opening which has a huge amount of draws what the problem was is that your opponet played the sily move of moving thier knight instead im not a petrov player myself but i know a bit of theory about it

SmyslovFan

I suppose it depends what level you play at. In correspondence chess, 3...Nxe4 is a mistake that may lead to a loss. At the grandmaster level, there are only a couple of players who bother with it, and none above ~2650. 

 

Volkmann and Afromeev are just about the only two players rated +2300 to play it regularly. And they seem to choose who they play it against fairly carefully. 

I am not saying 3...Nxe4?! is actually losing, I'm saying it's a mistake. White's advantage goes from minimal (+=) to considerable +/- in one move. Here's one of the few games where a specialist in the line tried it out against a grandmaster. 



AndyClifton
hoynck wrote:

Don't want to offend people, but it is so American - I think - not to research things like that and bla-bla-bla about such a position. 

No offense taken, Edam breath.